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Page lifespan? David Cox 09-01-2007
---> Re: Page lifespan? André Gillibert09-01-2007
Posted by David Cox on September 1, 2007, 7:32 am
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I found some details on a musical festival, made my plans, and only found
out by chance that the site was two years out of date.

Is there some HTML way of setting a lifespan on a webpage on creation so
that, should the creator neglect to remove it, browsers will not render it?

If not should such a mechanism exist?
Perhaps with page expired message?

David F. Cox



Posted by rf on September 1, 2007, 7:45 am
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>I found some details on a musical festival, made my plans, and only found
>out by chance that the site was two years out of date.

Woodstock?

> Is there some HTML way of setting a lifespan on a webpage on creation so
> that, should the creator neglect to remove it, browsers will not render
> it?

No.

> If not should such a mechanism exist?
> Perhaps with page expired message?

Yes. The author should heep the web page up to date. Then again some web
pages last a very very long time. The HTML specs for instance.

--
Richard.



Posted by André Gillibert on September 1, 2007, 8:25 am
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David Cox wrote:

> I found some details on a musical festival, made my plans, and only found
> out by chance that the site was two years out of date.
>
> Is there some HTML way of setting a lifespan on a webpage on creation so
> that, should the creator neglect to remove it, browsers will not render
> it?

Removing a site is rather a bad idea, even when it's "obsolete".
The solution is to date documents and clearly display the date at the top
of the page.
Then, people who find it, will immediately see the context, and may still
find it valuable.
If the site maintainer is nice, he may even update the site when the
festival is over, and diplay clearly a banner: "Event passed -- this event
is now kept for historical purposes only".

> If not should such a mechanism exist?

For simple server side removal:

If you're the creator, this only depends on your server-side tools.
You may write a Web server that automatically removes old documents (a
pretty bad idea).

If you're not the creator, and you think the contents of the page should
be removed, send a mail to the webmaster.

For a user-agent:
There's no standard HTTP header field for telling the user agent that the
page is obsolete.
You may search with google for an HTTP extension, or define your own
"X-Obsolete-after: date-time;" HTTP header field.

More simply, you may write a user-agent which recognizes the hCalendar
microformat, and doesn't load the page, or display a big red warning, if
all events in the calendar have passed. If may also display a different
type of warning, if some events are currently running.
Of course, the page author has to use an hCalendar.
It's impossible to automatically get the end date information if the
author didn't specify it somewhere.

I didn't write any Firefox extension (so I cannot tell what can or cannot
be done with it), but that *might* be feasible with a Firefox extension.

Reference:
http://microformats.org/wiki/hCalendar
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Posted by Doug Laidlaw on September 1, 2007, 9:12 am
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André Gillibert wrote:

> David Cox wrote:
>
>> I found some details on a musical festival, made my plans, and only found
>> out by chance that the site was two years out of date.
>>
>> Is there some HTML way of setting a lifespan on a webpage on creation so
>> that, should the creator neglect to remove it, browsers will not render
>> it?
>
> Removing a site is rather a bad idea, even when it's "obsolete".
> The solution is to date documents and clearly display the date at the top
> of the page.
> Then, people who find it, will immediately see the context, and may still
> find it valuable.
> If the site maintainer is nice, he may even update the site when the
> festival is over, and diplay clearly a banner: "Event passed -- this event
> is now kept for historical purposes only".
>
>> If not should such a mechanism exist?
>
> For simple server side removal:
>
> If you're the creator, this only depends on your server-side tools.
> You may write a Web server that automatically removes old documents (a
> pretty bad idea).
>
> If you're not the creator, and you think the contents of the page should
> be removed, send a mail to the webmaster.
>
> For a user-agent:
> There's no standard HTTP header field for telling the user agent that the
> page is obsolete.
> You may search with google for an HTTP extension, or define your own
> "X-Obsolete-after: date-time;" HTTP header field.
>
> More simply, you may write a user-agent which recognizes the hCalendar
> microformat, and doesn't load the page, or display a big red warning, if
> all events in the calendar have passed. If may also display a different
> type of warning, if some events are currently running.
> Of course, the page author has to use an hCalendar.
> It's impossible to automatically get the end date information if the
> author didn't specify it somewhere.
>
> I didn't write any Firefox extension (so I cannot tell what can or cannot
> be done with it), but that *might* be feasible with a Firefox extension.
>
> Reference:
> http://microformats.org/wiki/hCalendar

I can agree with leaving the page there, from a page I found, on research
that would take 5 years, and the page was 5 years old. Should be ready
right now (it wasn't.) But that fact wasn't clearly stated anywhere,
although I did find it.

Doug L.
--
The art of being wise is the art of knowing what to overlook.
- William James.


Posted by Dan on September 1, 2007, 2:39 pm
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On Sep 1, 8:25 am, "Andr=E9 Gillibert"
> The solution is to date documents and clearly display the date at the top
> of the page.
> Then, people who find it, will immediately see the context, and may still
> find it valuable.

And then there are the Marketing Types out there who insist on putting
some silly script into their pages that inserts the current date no
matter when the page is viewed, to give it an illusion of being up-to-
date when it may actually be long obsolete. The death penalty would
be appropriate for such people.

--
Dan


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