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PDC - BDC Conflicts Jean Paul Mertens 08-17-2007
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  `--> Re: PDC - BDC Conflicts SuperGumby [SBS...08-21-2007
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Posted by Phillip Windell on August 20, 2007, 11:30 am
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> looking at the list of crosspost groups, it's reasonable, there is a
> decent expectation of an answer from each and the list is not overly
> extensive.

Ok, but if it is reasonable then it is borderline reasonable.

> Something's been missed in the discussion however. The 'throw the baby
> away' method of DC recovery is wasteful whether the DC be an SBS or not.
> Jean Paul needs to reassess/redesign his Disaster Recovery process. The
> original DC should have been 'recovered' rather than 'replaced'.

Agreed, most definately
I also like the comment made in another post that he needs to stop "doing
things" and work through the problem methodically.

> and all this gaff about 'there is no PDC/BDC in 2000+ AD's' just bores me,
> the FSMO role holders (though possibly distributed) are distinctly more

It doesn't bore me,...but having people use the PDB/BDC terms is like
"fingernails on a chalkboard" to me. I apparently hasn't been pointed out
enough if people are still using the terms. It's been over 7 years since
Windows 2000 came out,..it's time people figure it out. If poeple want to
distingush the PDC Role or the Global Catalog holder because it is relevant
to the context, that is fine.


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Posted by Jean Paul Mertens on August 20, 2007, 4:30 am
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Hello all,

I was able to remove on the BDC the name of the PDC using ntdsutil,
whereafter it was posible to take the BDC out of the domain using DCPromo
saying that this was the last domain controller and then he did it. Overnoon
I will restart the servers and hopefully it will all work as before.

To bee continued :-) ...

Jean Paul



Posted by SuperGumby [SBS MVP] on August 20, 2007, 5:14 am
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it won't.

> Hello all,
>
> I was able to remove on the BDC the name of the PDC using ntdsutil,
> whereafter it was posible to take the BDC out of the domain using DCPromo
> saying that this was the last domain controller and then he did it.
> Overnoon I will restart the servers and hopefully it will all work as
> before.
>
> To bee continued :-) ...
>
> Jean Paul
>



Posted by Jean Paul Mertens on August 20, 2007, 10:29 am
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I could downgrade the BDC to a standalone server in a workgroup.

when I try toe meet the domain again, I got an error saying that the user
already exists in the domain. When I try to remove the name of the BDC in
the current domain, I get the message that the DSA-object could not be
removed

Is there a way to do so

Greets

Jean Paul

> it won't.
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I was able to remove on the BDC the name of the PDC using ntdsutil,
>> whereafter it was posible to take the BDC out of the domain using DCPromo
>> saying that this was the last domain controller and then he did it.
>> Overnoon I will restart the servers and hopefully it will all work as
>> before.
>>
>> To bee continued :-) ...
>>
>> Jean Paul
>>
>
>



Posted by Jean Paul Mertens on August 21, 2007, 7:26 am
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it did' it



After 35 years of experience in Micro computing and Software I know one
thing, say never never.



The whole thing is nothing more than shuffling with bits and bytes and every
bit in every machine is accessible. Never forget that those machines are
made to work for us and not visa versa, and no matter what it is, windows,
unix, cp/m or whatever, it is always man-made, no magic, and if you really
want it to do something it will do it.



What my disaster recovery method concerns, It worked several times before
without any problem on this and other machines. I'm still convinced that a
raid mirror is the best and the quickest way to be in business again. The
only problem I had now was that for an unknown reason the mirroring stopped
in last April and I never got an error of it. So instead off reinstalling
the whole thing I have taken the mirror disk and putted my daily backup on
it, and in less than two hours 85% of the network was back up, the only
problem was this one server 'with the BDC role' who was not playing the game
and my first question was just if someone had a tool to force the server to
a stand-alone role, but apparently no one had such a thing.



I did not ask for a discussion how good or bad SBS is nor if PDC and BDC are
the correct terms of what everybody know what they are. My problem was a
server problem with influence on the security, on network and on SBS so I
thought to find in those groups what I was looking for. It is the first
time, and I use BBS's long before internet exists, that I've got such
reactions..



No matter, for who is ever interested in how I fixed my problem I will put
it one of the days to come on my website www.on7ami.be



Greets to all,



From a growing old IT'er



Jean Paul



> it won't.
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I was able to remove on the BDC the name of the PDC using ntdsutil,
>> whereafter it was posible to take the BDC out of the domain using DCPromo
>> saying that this was the last domain controller and then he did it.
>> Overnoon I will restart the servers and hopefully it will all work as
>> before.
>>
>> To bee continued :-) ...
>>
>> Jean Paul
>>
>
>



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