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NTFS , folder permissions ! Need Help Saleh Matani 01-04-2006
Posted by Saleh Matani on January 4, 2006, 11:51 am
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Hello,

Subject : File and Folder permissions for domain users

Network Directory : \MyServer\MyDirectory\MyProject1
                                         \MyProject2
                                         ...........


Question :

How to give the domain user1 change permissions for folder "\MyProject1"
and user1 use not to be able to take the full permissions for folders
that he create under "\MyProject1"

with other words:
domain user1 has change permissions for folder "\MyProject1" , with this
permissions he can create a new folder like for example
"\MyProject1\New Folder\" after creating that folder is the user1
automatically the owner of that new created folder! means: he has all
permissions! result --> user1 can give every one read ,write or full
permissions for that folder.

is there any way to avoid that user1 can be able to give permissions for
folders that he create under "\MyProject1\" directory ?


Thank you

Saleh Matani

Posted by Steven L Umbach on January 4, 2006, 4:23 pm
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Windows by default gives the owner full control as you have seen. What you
can do is to change the permissions for owner creator to be less than full
control but as the owner the user can still always change permissions.
Ultimately you would need to try to hide the security tab from the user
[which can be done with Group Policy] which still could allow a user to use
command line tools if he know how or remove ownership from that user. In
Windows 2003 you can use the Explorer GUI to change ownership and for any NT
operating system you can use command like tools like subinacl or fileacl if
you are an administrator. --- Steve


> Hello,
>
> Subject : File and Folder permissions for domain users
>
> Network Directory : \MyServer\MyDirectory\MyProject1
> \MyProject2
> ...........
>
>
> Question :
>
> How to give the domain user1 change permissions for folder "\MyProject1"
> and user1 use not to be able to take the full permissions for folders that
> he create under "\MyProject1"
>
> with other words:
> domain user1 has change permissions for folder "\MyProject1" , with this
> permissions he can create a new folder like for example "\MyProject1\New
> Folder\" after creating that folder is the user1 automatically the owner
> of that new created folder! means: he has all permissions! result -->
> user1 can give every one read ,write or full permissions for that folder.
>
> is there any way to avoid that user1 can be able to give permissions for
> folders that he create under "\MyProject1\" directory ?
>
>
> Thank you
>
> Saleh Matani



Posted by Saleh Matani on January 5, 2006, 3:12 am
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thank you for Replay ,
but i am still asking , is there no way to change that "Windows by
default" ?

thanx

Steven L Umbach schrieb:
> Windows by default gives the owner full control as you have seen. What you
> can do is to change the permissions for owner creator to be less than full
> control but as the owner the user can still always change permissions.
> Ultimately you would need to try to hide the security tab from the user
> [which can be done with Group Policy] which still could allow a user to use
> command line tools if he know how or remove ownership from that user. In
> Windows 2003 you can use the Explorer GUI to change ownership and for any NT
> operating system you can use command like tools like subinacl or fileacl if
> you are an administrator. --- Steve
>
>
>
>>Hello,
>>
>>Subject : File and Folder permissions for domain users
>>
>>Network Directory : \MyServer\MyDirectory\MyProject1
>> \MyProject2
>> ...........
>>
>>
>>Question :
>>
>>How to give the domain user1 change permissions for folder "\MyProject1"
>>and user1 use not to be able to take the full permissions for folders that
>>he create under "\MyProject1"
>>
>>with other words:
>>domain user1 has change permissions for folder "\MyProject1" , with this
>>permissions he can create a new folder like for example "\MyProject1\New
>>Folder\" after creating that folder is the user1 automatically the owner
>>of that new created folder! means: he has all permissions! result -->
>>user1 can give every one read ,write or full permissions for that folder.
>>
>>is there any way to avoid that user1 can be able to give permissions for
>>folders that he create under "\MyProject1\" directory ?
>>
>>
>>Thank you
>>
>>Saleh Matani
>
>
>

Posted by Roger Abell [MVP] on January 5, 2006, 8:45 am
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There is no way to change how current Windows versions
grant ownership to new objects to the creator of them

What you can do however is to change the default settings
for Bypass traverse checking. If an account does not have
this grant of user right, then to access
c:\somefolder\somesubfolder\newfolder-userdefined\file.ext
then the account needs at least folder traverse granted to
them on c:\, on c:\somefolder, on c:\somefolder\somesubfolder
all of which have permissions you do control. So, if you take
explicit control over Bypass traverse checking on the sharing
machine, and do not overgrant NTFS permissions on the
folder structure, then the Owner of something can grant as
they want for permissions on things they create, but if the
grant is to an account you have not allowed into the area then
the grant cannot be used. However, it the grant the owner
makes is to an account you have let use the area, but is a grant
of more than you would like, then the owner has again defeated
you intent.

> thank you for Replay ,
> but i am still asking , is there no way to change that "Windows by
> default" ?
>
> thanx
>
> Steven L Umbach schrieb:
>> Windows by default gives the owner full control as you have seen. What
>> you can do is to change the permissions for owner creator to be less than
>> full control but as the owner the user can still always change
>> permissions. Ultimately you would need to try to hide the security tab
>> from the user [which can be done with Group Policy] which still could
>> allow a user to use command line tools if he know how or remove ownership
>> from that user. In Windows 2003 you can use the Explorer GUI to change
>> ownership and for any NT operating system you can use command like tools
>> like subinacl or fileacl if you are an administrator. --- Steve
>>
>>
>>
>>>Hello,
>>>
>>>Subject : File and Folder permissions for domain users
>>>
>>>Network Directory : \MyServer\MyDirectory\MyProject1
>>> \MyProject2
>>> ...........
>>>
>>>
>>>Question :
>>>
>>>How to give the domain user1 change permissions for folder "\MyProject1"
>>>and user1 use not to be able to take the full permissions for folders
>>>that he create under "\MyProject1"
>>>
>>>with other words:
>>>domain user1 has change permissions for folder "\MyProject1" , with this
>>>permissions he can create a new folder like for example "\MyProject1\New
>>>Folder\" after creating that folder is the user1 automatically the owner
>>>of that new created folder! means: he has all permissions! result -->
>>>user1 can give every one read ,write or full permissions for that folder.
>>>
>>>is there any way to avoid that user1 can be able to give permissions for
>>>folders that he create under "\MyProject1\" directory ?
>>>
>>>
>>>Thank you
>>>
>>>Saleh Matani
>>
>>


Posted by Steven L Umbach on January 5, 2006, 12:33 pm
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There is no way to change that. Knowing the owner often is valuable
information to administrators and will be used if disk quotas are
nforced. --- Steve


> thank you for Replay ,
> but i am still asking , is there no way to change that "Windows by
> default" ?
>
> thanx
>
> Steven L Umbach schrieb:
>> Windows by default gives the owner full control as you have seen. What
>> you can do is to change the permissions for owner creator to be less than
>> full control but as the owner the user can still always change
>> permissions. Ultimately you would need to try to hide the security tab
>> from the user [which can be done with Group Policy] which still could
>> allow a user to use command line tools if he know how or remove ownership
>> from that user. In Windows 2003 you can use the Explorer GUI to change
>> ownership and for any NT operating system you can use command like tools
>> like subinacl or fileacl if you are an administrator. --- Steve
>>
>>
>>
>>>Hello,
>>>
>>>Subject : File and Folder permissions for domain users
>>>
>>>Network Directory : \MyServer\MyDirectory\MyProject1
>>> \MyProject2
>>> ...........
>>>
>>>
>>>Question :
>>>
>>>How to give the domain user1 change permissions for folder "\MyProject1"
>>>and user1 use not to be able to take the full permissions for folders
>>>that he create under "\MyProject1"
>>>
>>>with other words:
>>>domain user1 has change permissions for folder "\MyProject1" , with this
>>>permissions he can create a new folder like for example "\MyProject1\New
>>>Folder\" after creating that folder is the user1 automatically the owner
>>>of that new created folder! means: he has all permissions! result -->
>>>user1 can give every one read ,write or full permissions for that folder.
>>>
>>>is there any way to avoid that user1 can be able to give permissions for
>>>folders that he create under "\MyProject1\" directory ?
>>>
>>>
>>>Thank you
>>>
>>>Saleh Matani
>>
>>


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