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McCain- vs. Obama Pertti Koivisto 06-08-2008
Posted by Pertti Koivisto on June 8, 2008, 6:44 am
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 Super saturday 7.6.2008 went into history as a day of America and a
day of black America.
Barack Obama went as history becoming first highest ranking black
candidate in US history of politics.
His candidacy was however more on popularity in party than in votes.
Hillary Clinton won Obama in so called "super ten" 7-3 and lose all
states 22-28.
In politics votes don't necessarily count.
In spite of Hillarys win Obama was kept as better candidate by John
Kerry,Kennedy and many influential democrats. Their votes were
decisieve.
Five months is ahead to november when 200 million americans say
their word in the battle.
McCain possibilites were valued better to Obama than Hillary.
Black america (10% population) will turn great to Baracks pocket, that
is sure.
What is Johns tactics. He cann't trust to black.
Scandal that became three months ago puts John difficult situation. It
is however more probable that Obama will not play that card now. That
was Hillary's big card, and fit for him but to Barck it is not sure to
work.
Military and foreign political expertise is McCains card, he is as
old as Reagan in his presidency.
In jewhis vote MacCain and Obama are in their openings campaigning
neck and neck.
Will MacCain nominate his nearest rival Huccabee as vice president or
Obama Hillary wait and see.
Exciteing moment seeing whose nerve will last to precidency.
http://users.utu.fi/pertkoiv/




Posted by Painius on June 8, 2008, 7:27 am
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 From alt.astronomy...

>
> Super saturday 7.6.2008 went into history as a day of America and a
> day of black America.
> Barack Obama went as history becoming first highest ranking black
> candidate in US history of politics.
> His candidacy was however more on popularity in party than in votes.
> Hillary Clinton won Obama in so called "super ten" 7-3 and lose all
> states 22-28.
> In politics votes don't necessarily count.
> In spite of Hillarys win Obama was kept as better candidate by John
> Kerry,Kennedy and many influential democrats. Their votes were
> decisieve.
> Five months is ahead to november when 200 million americans say
> their word in the battle.
> McCain possibilites were valued better to Obama than Hillary.
> Black america (10% population) will turn great to Baracks pocket, that
> is sure.
> What is Johns tactics. He cann't trust to black.
> Scandal that became three months ago puts John difficult situation. It
> is however more probable that Obama will not play that card now. That
> was Hillary's big card, and fit for him but to Barck it is not sure to
> work.
> Military and foreign political expertise is McCains card, he is as
> old as Reagan in his presidency.
> In jewhis vote MacCain and Obama are in their openings campaigning
> neck and neck.
> Will MacCain nominate his nearest rival Huccabee as vice president or
> Obama Hillary wait and see.
> Exciteing moment seeing whose nerve will last to precidency.
> http://users.utu.fi/pertkoiv/

IMO, if Clinton had won the primary, Obama supporters
for the most part would have had no problem supporting
Clinton against McCain. But a significant number of
Clinton supporters will hang in and write her name on the
ballot, giving McCain a deciding edge. Obama doesn't
have a chance in hell of beating McCain, whereas Clinton
would have given McCain a good fight, and perhaps would
have beaten him to become the next president.

Looks like the reps win again. Hands down.

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Posted by eldorado on June 9, 2008, 3:10 pm
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On Sun, 8 Jun 2008, Painius wrote:

>
>
> From alt.astronomy...
>
> IMO, if Clinton had won the primary, Obama supporters
> for the most part would have had no problem supporting
> Clinton against McCain. But a significant number of
> Clinton supporters will hang in and write her name on the
> ballot, giving McCain a deciding edge. Obama doesn't
> have a chance in hell of beating McCain, whereas Clinton
> would have given McCain a good fight, and perhaps would
> have beaten him to become the next president.

mccain got roughly 9.5 million votes. (
http://us-president.suite101.com/article.cfm/final_total_primary_popular_votes)
Hillary got roughly (not counting Fl and Michigan) 16.378,895 million
votes and Obama 16,579,895. This means if half of Hillary's supporters
voted for mccain he would get about 17 million votes - now lets say
a quarter of the remaining stay home and only a quarter of Hillary's votes
go to Obama, Obama would still win the popular vote with about 20 million
(beating mcain by about 3 million votes). While this is popular votes I
believe you would be hard pressed to give a scenerio where mccain loses by
3 million votes and still takes the presidency.

I also find it unlikely that only a quarter of people who voted for
Hillary would vote for Obama. Nor do I believe a full half of Hillary's
supporters would vote for mccain - so Obama's popular lead will be even
greater than the 3 million shown above.

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Posted by Titix on June 9, 2008, 5:53 pm
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> On Sun, 8 Jun 2008, Painius wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > From alt.astronomy...
> >
> > IMO, if Clinton had won the primary, Obama supporters
> > for the most part would have had no problem supporting
> > Clinton against McCain. But a significant number of
> > Clinton supporters will hang in and write her name on the
> > ballot, giving McCain a deciding edge. Obama doesn't
> > have a chance in hell of beating McCain, whereas Clinton
> > would have given McCain a good fight, and perhaps would
> > have beaten him to become the next president.
>
> mccain got roughly 9.5 million votes. (
>
http://us-president.suite101.com/article.cfm/final_total_primary_popular_votes)
> Hillary got roughly (not counting Fl and Michigan) 16.378,895 million
> votes and Obama 16,579,895. This means if half of Hillary's supporters
> voted for mccain he would get about 17 million votes - now lets say
> a quarter of the remaining stay home and only a quarter of Hillary's votes
> go to Obama, Obama would still win the popular vote with about 20 million
> (beating mcain by about 3 million votes). While this is popular votes I
> believe you would be hard pressed to give a scenerio where mccain loses by
> 3 million votes and still takes the presidency.
>
> I also find it unlikely that only a quarter of people who voted for
> Hillary would vote for Obama. Nor do I believe a full half of Hillary's
> supporters would vote for mccain - so Obama's popular lead will be even
> greater than the 3 million shown above.
>
> --
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> The pen is mightier than the sword, until it runs out of ink.
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

I agree with what you said, but I think Obama will get way more than 3
million
votes more than McCain. I don't think the seniors will vote for McCain when
they
hear that he wants to privatize their Social Security. And Obama wants to do
away with taxing seniors with less than $50,000 income. Those seniors in FL
and
elsewhere will vote for Obama in multitudes.





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