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Is no-doc mortgage my only option? DA 11-07-2005
Posted by DA on November 7, 2005, 12:03 am
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Hello group!

Looking for some advise or maybe just an opinion from the pros in this
group.

Trying to buy (build, actually) a house in a development that's about 800
feet from where I live now. One of my ideas is to settle on the new home
BEFORE selling the one I live in now.

With the house delivery date being kind of soft (30 days window being
promised, but I guess, 60 days delays can also be expected) and with the
new home being in such close proximity, I thought it would make it a
little easier on my family if we live in the current home until everything
is ready to go in the new one.

Problem arose when trying to apply for a mortgage. The broker is pretty
much saying that the sale of the current home is mandatory, and I have to
settle on the old house before the new one. This is a deal breaker for me.
I do not want to move to a temp place, and renting it back from the buyer
will limit my chances of selling on this, already cooling off, market.

The broker is saying that the problem is not paying two mortgages for few
months (which is also tough to approve, although I can temporarily afford
it) but the liability of the first mortgage. Unless I did not understand
the explanation, it seems like having the additional liability of the
first mortgage will not allow any lender to lend me money, no matter if I
can pay monthly or not.

Someone had mentioned no-doc mortgages to me. I don't know much about
them, but it sounds like no-doc would mean that no other mortgage will be
taken into consideration. Is this an option for me? Well, is no-doc my
ONLY option? I understand that those are more expensive mortgages (how
much more?), but I would be re-financing it right after the sale of the
current home. Hopefully within 4-6 months. Is there something wrong with
this plan?


Cheers!
D.
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Posted by Peter on November 8, 2005, 10:32 am
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Are you building the home yourself or is the development building the home?
Did you try more than one mortgage broker? Why are you moving?

You should be able to purchase the new home contingent on selling the old
home.

Where's the delay? Modern construction is based on timetables. A
contractor should be able to tell you within two or three days when a home
is ready for occanpancy.

My feeling is that you do not have the right information before you. Forget
the no-doc loan.


PMT
> Hello group!
>
> Looking for some advise or maybe just an opinion from the pros in this
> group.
>
> Trying to buy (build, actually) a house in a development that's about 800
> feet from where I live now. One of my ideas is to settle on the new home
> BEFORE selling the one I live in now.
>
> With the house delivery date being kind of soft (30 days window being
> promised, but I guess, 60 days delays can also be expected) and with the
> new home being in such close proximity, I thought it would make it a
> little easier on my family if we live in the current home until everything
> is ready to go in the new one.
>
> Problem arose when trying to apply for a mortgage. The broker is pretty
> much saying that the sale of the current home is mandatory, and I have to
> settle on the old house before the new one. This is a deal breaker for me.
> I do not want to move to a temp place, and renting it back from the buyer
> will limit my chances of selling on this, already cooling off, market.
>
> The broker is saying that the problem is not paying two mortgages for few
> months (which is also tough to approve, although I can temporarily afford
> it) but the liability of the first mortgage. Unless I did not understand
> the explanation, it seems like having the additional liability of the
> first mortgage will not allow any lender to lend me money, no matter if I
> can pay monthly or not.
>
> Someone had mentioned no-doc mortgages to me. I don't know much about
> them, but it sounds like no-doc would mean that no other mortgage will be
> taken into consideration. Is this an option for me? Well, is no-doc my
> ONLY option? I understand that those are more expensive mortgages (how
> much more?), but I would be re-financing it right after the sale of the
> current home. Hopefully within 4-6 months. Is there something wrong with
> this plan?
>
>
> Cheers!
> D.
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Posted by DA on November 8, 2005, 2:42 pm
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Peter wrote:

> Are you building the home yourself or is the development building the
> home?
> Did you try more than one mortgage broker? Why are you moving?

> You should be able to purchase the new home contingent on selling the
> old
> home.

> Where's the delay? Modern construction is based on timetables. A
> contractor should be able to tell you within two or three days when a
> home
> is ready for occanpancy.

> My feeling is that you do not have the right information before you.
> Forget
> the no-doc loan.


Thank you for the insight, Peter.

Yes, I do not have too much info to play with. However, from what I have
been told, the situation unfolds like this:

I have to sign the contract with the development company (they build it,
not me) BEFORE I know for sure the house delivery dates. They are going to
be released to me about a month after I sign the contract and pay the
deposit on a pre-construction meeting. Actually, the delivery dates are
preliminary like anything else in building construction, and they are
contingent upon the weather to some extent.

So, I'm facing a dilemma: how do I know when my old house is going to
sell? Even if I put it on the market below the average, there is no
guarantee that it will sell precisely at the time I need it.

I did consider the entire deal with the new house out of my desire to live
in a larger and newer house, not to suffer all the way thru the process.
This is where my desire to buy the new home BEFORE selling the old one
comes from.

With this timing, I have been told that I absolutely have to settle on my
old house BEFORE I can settle on the new one, which will force me to move
to a temporary place, and this is exactly what I want to avoid.

I am very sure my situation is not unique. So, the big question is: how do
other people do that?

Cheers!
D.
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Posted by Jeff Strickland on November 9, 2005, 8:05 pm
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> Peter wrote:
>
>> Are you building the home yourself or is the development building the
>> home?
>> Did you try more than one mortgage broker? Why are you moving?
>
>> You should be able to purchase the new home contingent on selling the
>> old
>> home.
>
>> Where's the delay? Modern construction is based on timetables. A
>> contractor should be able to tell you within two or three days when a
>> home
>> is ready for occanpancy.
>
>> My feeling is that you do not have the right information before you.
>> Forget
>> the no-doc loan.
>
>
> Thank you for the insight, Peter.
>
> Yes, I do not have too much info to play with. However, from what I have
> been told, the situation unfolds like this:
>
> I have to sign the contract with the development company (they build it,
> not me) BEFORE I know for sure the house delivery dates. They are going to
> be released to me about a month after I sign the contract and pay the
> deposit on a pre-construction meeting. Actually, the delivery dates are
> preliminary like anything else in building construction, and they are
> contingent upon the weather to some extent.
>


TAKE ANY DATE THEY GIVE YOU WITH A GRAIN OF SALT.

They almost NEVER meet the deadlines they give. My home was supposed to be
finished by sometime in August, it wasn't ready for me to move in to until
November 1st. They were late by at least two full months, plus a couple of
weeks.






Posted by DA on November 9, 2005, 9:15 pm
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Jeff Strickland wrote:


> TAKE ANY DATE THEY GIVE YOU WITH A GRAIN OF SALT.

> They almost NEVER meet the deadlines they give. My home was supposed to
> be finished by sometime in August, it wasn't ready for me to move in to
> until November 1st. They were late by at least two full months, plus a couple
> of weeks.

Well, I am familiar with this side of construction business, although my
company only deals with commecrial construction. This is exactly what made
me think of moving first and then selling the old house.

I guess, I will be looking for more information on no-doc mortgages
because this is where this looks to be going.

Thanks for your responses!

Cheers!
D.
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