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Imminent Windows Vista and DirectX Barrabas 06-06-2006
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Posted by Barrabas on June 8, 2006, 9:06 pm
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> Re: "I was told once that the operating system it comes with is the one
> it's meant to stay with, dual booting notwithstanding. What about all the
> Toshiba applications running, such as power saver and such, what happens
> to those if I upgrade? I'm not supposed to use graphics card driver
> upgrades that aren't on the Toshiba website."
>
> A gross misunderstanding and misinterpretation.
>
> There are two issues that you have mixed up in your understanding.
>
> The first issue is whether or not the operating system that comes on a
> laptop can be move to another computer. The answer is that it can't be
> LEGALLY moved due to licensing restrictions. Legally, that OS is tied to
> that computer forever. Even that, however, does not necessarily that it
> can't actually [physically] be done, although in some cases product
> activation may make activation of such an operating system difficult or
> impossible.
>
> The second issue is whether another OS can be installed on a computer that
> comes with an OS preinstalled, and the answer is an unequivocal yes. A
> laptop is no different than any other computer. You can install any OS
> you want, and for which you can have or can find (or even can write) the
> necessary drivers.
>
> As for applications and drivers that come with (preinstalled on) a laptop:
>
> -Many are unnecessary; in fact, many are even undesireable (people are
> actually writing programs ("decrapifiers") to do wholesale removal of ALL
> such software ("crapware") at once from new laptops with preinstalled
> software.

There is 'Toshiba Assist'. So this is unnecessary then?
The average user is expected to disregard it. If you change power settings,
it is
expected to use this at present.
There isn't really a lot of crap anyway. Norton's is the worst for slowing
the system down.


>
> -The ones that are necessary and/or desireable are generally available
> separately either on CDs that come with the laptop or by download from the
> manufacturer's web site
>
> -It's not absolutely true that you can't/shouldn't ever use non-OEM
> drivers. It is true that in general, you should first use the drivers
> from the OEM's web site where they exist for the hardware and OS to be
> installed. However, there are quite a few times when it's appropriate to
> use a non-OEM driver, including both when you are installing an OS that
> the OEM doesn't support on that hardware at all, and when the OEM fails to
> offer software or driver upgrades that are available elsewhere.
>



Posted by Barry Watzman on June 8, 2006, 10:51 pm
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Toshiba assist is not necessary, but if you want it, the individual
files to add the individual components (including power management) can
be downloaded from the Toshiba web site.


Barrabas wrote:
>
> There is 'Toshiba Assist'. So this is unnecessary then?
> The average user is expected to disregard it. If you change power settings,
> it is
> expected to use this at present.
> There isn't really a lot of crap anyway. Norton's is the worst for slowing
> the system down.
>
>
>
>>-The ones that are necessary and/or desireable are generally available
>>separately either on CDs that come with the laptop or by download from the
>>manufacturer's web site
>>
>>-It's not absolutely true that you can't/shouldn't ever use non-OEM
>>drivers. It is true that in general, you should first use the drivers
>>from the OEM's web site where they exist for the hardware and OS to be
>>installed. However, there are quite a few times when it's appropriate to
>>use a non-OEM driver, including both when you are installing an OS that
>>the OEM doesn't support on that hardware at all, and when the OEM fails to
>>offer software or driver upgrades that are available elsewhere.
>>
>
>
>

Posted by Bruce Burden on June 6, 2006, 11:35 pm
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: Is it true that all the laptop computers sold now with Windows XP are
: recommended not to be upgraded to Vista?
:
        Not necessarily. However, a lot of "business" laptops
are not going to be able to run "aero" because M$ is saying
video cards of AT LEAST 128MB is necessary. Purportedly ATI
reps agreeded, saying they had seen multiple apps bog down
64MB video cards.
:
: In the past new version of DirectX always worked on an OS a few years old.
: Windows 95 worked with up to DirectX 8.1. What is different?
:
        You mean, aside from M$ attempting to maximize the
number of Vista copies they sell due to incompatible software?
Well, supposedly Bills' OS is going to nag, nag, nag, nag, nag
and nag some more. Did I mention that it was going to nag?

        In short, people are going to find out that security can
be damn intrusive and annoying when you have never given it
any thought previously.

        Don't worry, I am sure you can get in a keystroke or two
before another nag prompt appears...

        Oh, wait, you mean DirectX 10? Well, supposedly a lot of
the windows GUI will be evicted from the core code, and will
be executing a user priority/security, which is trumpeted as
"the next killer app. So, what they mean is, instead of a BSoD,
you will simply lose your orfice app, and that document/spread
sheet that you were working on all morning. While battling the
nag prompts. Neat-o!

                                                        Bruce
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"I like bad!" Bruce Burden Austin, TX.
- Thuganlitha
The Power and the Prophet
Robert Don Hughes


Posted by J. Clarke on June 7, 2006, 9:19 am
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Bruce Burden wrote:

> : Is it true that all the laptop computers sold now with Windows XP are
> : recommended not to be upgraded to Vista?
> :
> Not necessarily. However, a lot of "business" laptops
> are not going to be able to run "aero" because M$ is saying
> video cards of AT LEAST 128MB is necessary. Purportedly ATI
> reps agreeded, saying they had seen multiple apps bog down
> 64MB video cards.
> :
> : In the past new version of DirectX always worked on an OS a few years
> : old.
> : Windows 95 worked with up to DirectX 8.1. What is different?
> :
> You mean, aside from M$ attempting to maximize the
> number of Vista copies they sell due to incompatible software?
> Well, supposedly Bills' OS is going to nag, nag, nag, nag, nag
> and nag some more. Did I mention that it was going to nag?
>
> In short, people are going to find out that security can
> be damn intrusive and annoying when you have never given it
> any thought previously.
>
> Don't worry, I am sure you can get in a keystroke or two
> before another nag prompt appears...
>
> Oh, wait, you mean DirectX 10? Well, supposedly a lot of
> the windows GUI will be evicted from the core code, and will
> be executing a user priority/security, which is trumpeted as
> "the next killer app. So, what they mean is, instead of a BSoD,
> you will simply lose your orfice app, and that document/spread
> sheet that you were working on all morning. While battling the
> nag prompts. Neat-o!

Only nagging I've seen it do is when you go to install something it asks you
if you are really, really sure that you want to run something (the
installer) that requires administrator privilege.

As for losing the office app and the document/spreadsheet that you have been
working on all morning (a) save early and save often--this is nothing new
and it applies equally to _all_ operating systems--trip over the power cord
on a Mac, a Linux box, or a Windows machine and the result is pretty much
the same, and (b) it's been a long time since Office hasn't defaulted to
periodically creating backup copies of open documents.

--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

Posted by Barrabas on June 8, 2006, 7:15 am
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> : Is it true that all the laptop computers sold now with Windows XP are
> : recommended not to be upgraded to Vista?
> :
> Not necessarily. However, a lot of "business" laptops
> are not going to be able to run "aero" because M$ is saying
> video cards of AT LEAST 128MB is necessary. Purportedly ATI
> reps agreeded, saying they had seen multiple apps bog down
> 64MB video cards.
> :

My laptop meets all the Vista and probably 'aero' requirements anyway.

> : In the past new version of DirectX always worked on an OS a few years
> old.
> : Windows 95 worked with up to DirectX 8.1. What is different?
> :
> You mean, aside from M$ attempting to maximize the
> number of Vista copies they sell due to incompatible software?
> Well, supposedly Bills' OS is going to nag, nag, nag, nag, nag
> and nag some more. Did I mention that it was going to nag?
>
> In short, people are going to find out that security can
> be damn intrusive and annoying when you have never given it
> any thought previously.
>
> Don't worry, I am sure you can get in a keystroke or two
> before another nag prompt appears...
>
> Oh, wait, you mean DirectX 10? Well, supposedly a lot of
> the windows GUI will be evicted from the core code, and will
> be executing a user priority/security, which is trumpeted as
> "the next killer app. So, what they mean is, instead of a BSoD,
> you will simply lose your orfice app, and that document/spread
> sheet that you were working on all morning. While battling the
> nag prompts. Neat-o!

I can never follow all the political issues of operating systems.
I know I want a computer to use a wide variety of software for a developer
and not just hand emails and music file lists.
It's a bit like arguing about VHS over Beta sometimes isn't it.
Without Windows probably useability wouldn't have advanced as far at least.
I install cygwin and I can't solve a 'no absolute path for bash' issue, too
trivial for
the faq.

>
> Bruce
> --
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> "I like bad!" Bruce Burden Austin, TX.
> - Thuganlitha
> The Power and the Prophet
> Robert Don Hughes
>



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