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IPSec Filter beachboy 08-31-2006
---> Re: IPSec Filter Steven L Umbach08-31-2006
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Posted by beachboy on August 31, 2006, 11:23 pm
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Can we use IPsec filter as Windows firewall to block the untrust access as
similar as hardware firewall / iptables on linux??

Thanks.



Posted by Steven L Umbach on August 31, 2006, 11:52 pm
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Ipsec was primarily designed to secure network traffic via encryption and
insure integrity. It can certainly be used only with filter actions for
block and allow to use as a basic non stateful firewall which means that the
response ports also need to be defined usually via mirroring a filter entry.
So it really can not be like hardware firewall / iptables on linux because
it is not stateful meaning it can not recognize an established session.
Ipsec also has very limited logging abilities. Having said that it is a lot
better than no firewall if for some reason there are no other options and
part of ipsec strength is that it is free, built into the OS, uses limited
resources, and can be configured via Group Policy. Also by default ipsec has
some standard exemptions that can be managed via the registry and they vary
depending on the operating system. The links below may be helpful.

Steve

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;811832
http://www.securityfocus.com/infocus/1559 -- example of creating an ipsec
filtering policy


> Can we use IPsec filter as Windows firewall to block the untrust access as
> similar as hardware firewall / iptables on linux??
>
> Thanks.
>
>



Posted by Steven L Umbach on August 31, 2006, 11:56 pm
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I also forgot to add that creating ipsec filters can be problematic. You can
not for instance specify port ranges or IP ranges in a single filter entry..

Steve


> Ipsec was primarily designed to secure network traffic via encryption and
> insure integrity. It can certainly be used only with filter actions for
> block and allow to use as a basic non stateful firewall which means that
> the response ports also need to be defined usually via mirroring a filter
> entry. So it really can not be like hardware firewall / iptables on linux
> because it is not stateful meaning it can not recognize an established
> session. Ipsec also has very limited logging abilities. Having said that
> it is a lot better than no firewall if for some reason there are no other
> options and part of ipsec strength is that it is free, built into the OS,
> uses limited resources, and can be configured via Group Policy. Also by
> default ipsec has some standard exemptions that can be managed via the
> registry and they vary depending on the operating system. The links below
> may be helpful.
>
> Steve
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;811832
> http://www.securityfocus.com/infocus/1559 -- example of creating an
> ipsec filtering policy
>
>
>> Can we use IPsec filter as Windows firewall to block the untrust access
>> as
>> similar as hardware firewall / iptables on linux??
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>
>



Posted by karl levinson, mvp on September 1, 2006, 8:57 am
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> Can we use IPsec filter as Windows firewall to block the untrust access as
> similar as hardware firewall / iptables on linux??

You can, but the Windows IPsec logging is inadequate to nonexistent. It
does not log like a firewall does. Having firewall logs is very useful
during troubleshooting and investigating possible security incidents.
Windows 2003 comes with a firewall, why not use that instead?

www.netscreen.com has an inexpensive firewall with a lot of features. You
can get inexpensive new and used firewall devices off of ebay as well.

--
kind regards,
Karl Levinson, CISSP, CCSA, MCSE [MS MVP]
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http://securityadmin.info



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