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How to get MAP to work with mouseover Robert Baer 04-10-2006
Posted by Robert Baer on April 13, 2006, 5:50 pm
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VK wrote:
> Robert Baer wrote:
>
>>** Due completely to my abysimal ignorance; do not have the faintest
>>idea as to what a "rollover block" is or means or what it would look
>>like or act.
>
>
> Rollover block/effect is a piece of your page that changes its
> appearance depending on if the moise pointer over it or not. (Could be
> a better wording, but clear enough I hope).
> In your sample these are Roman letters as you may guess.
>
> > ** Possible; i have done a Copy of some code from one validated HTML
>
>
>>prog i made that worked, and did a Paste into another validated HTML
>>prog i made that worked; theresult made the validator barf all over the
>>place.
>
>
> I would imagine.
>
> Mr. Baer, copy-n-paste may work only if the person has some, even the
> most wague idea of *what* is he copying and pasting. Otherwise it will
> be a continuous chain of disappointments then two perfectly working
> codes are totalling into one non working - as it is right now.
> I mean it is possible to have a new electric schema explained - if you
> already worked with others. But you cannot just grab first time ever
> an iron and pull it into your TV set in hope that contacts will get
> connected in the right way.
>
> You current level of knowledge doesn't let you yet to do manual coding.
> If you are determined to learn Web technics by your own (which is great
> by itself) then appreciate the job Martyr2 did for you:
>
<http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.javascript/tree/browse_frm/thread/116218c237182715/97e67b455e35481a?rnum=1&hl=en&_done=%2Fgroup%2Fcomp.lang.javascript%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fthread%2F116218c237182715%2F43e1f6e79f731d4c%3Fhl%3Den%26#doc_e45272a768fbeb68>
> It is indeed above of that one could regularly expect from a public
> newsgroup. His code does work - your code looks the same but it
> doesn't. So take both and study them until the latest smallest
> difference will be totally clear to you. Do not ask for each point "why
> did you place here > or + or - ?". This is a wrong approach. Google
> instead for the tag or attribute where you see a change. Find out
> everything about this tag or attribute. Make several copies of the
> working sample and play with it until you feel yourselve comfortable.
> Come back for more help - but only after the above stage is
> accomplished.
>
> If you are willing to invest some money into your Web education, this
> list may be of some interest to you:
>
<http://dir.yahoo.com/Regional/U_S__States/California/Metropolitan_Areas/San_Francisco_Bay_Area/Business_and_Shopping/Business_to_Business/Computers/Training_and_Development/>
>
> If you are in a time frame and/or on narrow funds, you have to use some
> higher level authoring software with error control and a set of
> scriptable widgets (another term you may want to remember).
>
> You can download then a 30-day trial copy of Macromedia Dreamweaver:
> <http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/tdrc/index.cfm?product=dreamweaver>
>
I must admit that everything you said is correct, with one minor
exception.
When i did that copy & paste the result did not work, *but* when i
over-typed the copied section, it did work and verified good.
Hell, the working example that Martyr2 gave presented some problems:
one save was via File/ SaveAs and another save was RightClick/
ViewPageSource/ Edit/ SelectAll/ Copy/ Paste to notebook & save.
Both versions worked, but DOS FC said there were a number of
differences; and *no* differences were visible!
Oh, even that they looked absolutely identical, one was 1K larger
(one cluster; could have been a difference of as little as one character).
It is that kind of crap that makes it very difficult to know what is
really going on.

Posted by Robert Baer on April 13, 2006, 8:26 pm
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VK wrote:

> Robert Baer wrote:
>
>>** Due completely to my abysimal ignorance; do not have the faintest
>>idea as to what a "rollover block" is or means or what it would look
>>like or act.
>
>
> Rollover block/effect is a piece of your page that changes its
> appearance depending on if the moise pointer over it or not. (Could be
> a better wording, but clear enough I hope).
> In your sample these are Roman letters as you may guess.
>
> > ** Possible; i have done a Copy of some code from one validated HTML
>
>
>>prog i made that worked, and did a Paste into another validated HTML
>>prog i made that worked; theresult made the validator barf all over the
>>place.
>
>
> I would imagine.
>
> Mr. Baer, copy-n-paste may work only if the person has some, even the
> most wague idea of *what* is he copying and pasting. Otherwise it will
> be a continuous chain of disappointments then two perfectly working
> codes are totalling into one non working - as it is right now.
> I mean it is possible to have a new electric schema explained - if you
> already worked with others. But you cannot just grab first time ever
> an iron and pull it into your TV set in hope that contacts will get
> connected in the right way.
>
> You current level of knowledge doesn't let you yet to do manual coding.
> If you are determined to learn Web technics by your own (which is great
> by itself) then appreciate the job Martyr2 did for you:
>
<http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.javascript/tree/browse_frm/thread/116218c237182715/97e67b455e35481a?rnum=1&hl=en&_done=%2Fgroup%2Fcomp.lang.javascript%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fthread%2F116218c237182715%2F43e1f6e79f731d4c%3Fhl%3Den%26#doc_e45272a768fbeb68>
> It is indeed above of that one could regularly expect from a public
> newsgroup. His code does work - your code looks the same but it
> doesn't. So take both and study them until the latest smallest
> difference will be totally clear to you. Do not ask for each point "why
> did you place here > or + or - ?". This is a wrong approach. Google
> instead for the tag or attribute where you see a change. Find out
> everything about this tag or attribute. Make several copies of the
> working sample and play with it until you feel yourselve comfortable.
> Come back for more help - but only after the above stage is
> accomplished.
>
> If you are willing to invest some money into your Web education, this
> list may be of some interest to you:
>
<http://dir.yahoo.com/Regional/U_S__States/California/Metropolitan_Areas/San_Francisco_Bay_Area/Business_and_Shopping/Business_to_Business/Computers/Training_and_Development/>
>
> If you are in a time frame and/or on narrow funds, you have to use some
> higher level authoring software with error control and a set of
> scriptable widgets (another term you may want to remember).
>
> You can download then a 30-day trial copy of Macromedia Dreamweaver:
> <http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/tdrc/index.cfm?product=dreamweaver>
>
No, i cannot download a file that size; i am on POTS and even
download managers do not cope with the line problems here.
Anything over about 2Megs is a problem.
How can i get a CD?

Posted by VK on April 14, 2006, 6:01 am
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Robert Baer wrote:
> i am on POTS and even
> download managers do not cope with the line problems here.
> Anything over about 2Megs is a problem.
> How can i get a CD?

I just realized that Dreamweaver 8 is out of use to you any way as it
requires Windows 2000 or higher.

I'm affraid that the ancient art to write fully functional features
rich applications within 1Mb or less has been lost longest time ago:
about the same time as MS-DOS went out of use :-)

By the way: MS-DOS FileCompare (FC) utilite is useless for HTML
comparison unless you are using it with the keys /L /C /W (compare as
ASCII, ignore case, ignore white space differences). In HTML case is
not significant and white spaces collapse, so say
<P> Paragraph </P>
<p> Paragraph </p>
means the same.

If you can cope with 1.6Mb download you can get an ancient but good
enough editor Arachnophilia 4.0 by Paul Lutus:
<http://www.arachnoid.com/arachnophilia/index_old.html>

You may also enjoy reading its free CareWare license (the only one of
its kind I guess): <http://www.arachnoid.com/careware/index.html>


Posted by Robert Baer on April 15, 2006, 5:46 am
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VK wrote:

> Robert Baer wrote:
>
>>i am on POTS and even
>>download managers do not cope with the line problems here.
>> Anything over about 2Megs is a problem.
>> How can i get a CD?
>
>
> I just realized that Dreamweaver 8 is out of use to you any way as it
> requires Windows 2000 or higher.
>
> I'm affraid that the ancient art to write fully functional features
> rich applications within 1Mb or less has been lost longest time ago:
> about the same time as MS-DOS went out of use :-)
>
> By the way: MS-DOS FileCompare (FC) utilite is useless for HTML
> comparison unless you are using it with the keys /L /C /W (compare as
> ASCII, ignore case, ignore white space differences). In HTML case is
> not significant and white spaces collapse, so say
> <P> Paragraph </P>
> <p> Paragraph </p>
> means the same.
>
> If you can cope with 1.6Mb download you can get an ancient but good
> enough editor Arachnophilia 4.0 by Paul Lutus:
> <http://www.arachnoid.com/arachnophilia/index_old.html>
>
> You may also enjoy reading its free CareWare license (the only one of
> its kind I guess): <http://www.arachnoid.com/careware/index.html>
>
Wow; only 1.6Mbytes - tolerable.
I run three OSes, different drive for each - and Win2K is the one
where i do all my "fancy" work: LTspice, Ivex WinBoard, Nerd, Hexcel,
web page development, etc.
Thanks!


Posted by VK on April 15, 2006, 9:58 am
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Robert Baer wrote:
> Wow; only 1.6Mbytes - tolerable.

If you have Java JRE 1.4 or higher installed, you can download
Arachnophilia 5.2 executable .jar (1.5 Mb)
<http://www.arachnoid.com/arachnophilia/Arachnophilia.jar>

(after v.4.0 the author switched on Java platform).


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