Don't forget that the browser window will typically be set to
something smaller. After all, of one uses a windowing system (whether
X or MS), why not use a windowing system? That generally means having
two or more windows viewable alongside each other. On my typical
office display (1280x1024) I'll often have two browser windows
alongside each other, for my own good reasons, and if the author can't
let their page adapt gracefully to that, I'm going to rate them
incompetent.

> * Changing the default CSS

One of they key options of "Cascading", after all.

> If the designer is out of sympathy with the fact of the users'

> power, then their page-designs are likely to cause problems for

> someone sooner or later. I like to think that the "someone" in

> question is the designer, not the user - the user can usually go

> elsewhere.

Good points. And keep in mind that, thanks to the widespread lack of
action in response to user complaints (in most cases they either
remain unanswered, or bring an anodyne note from some front-desk
person to say that their web deezyner has assured them that what the
complainant wants isn't possible - even when the complainant has
included a worked solution! So one can not rely on user complaints to
find out about shortcomings in a web site's design - as you say,
they'll just quietly leave - and go to a competitor.

ttfn

Posted by TC on July 28, 2006, 6:49 am

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Jack wrote:

> people who design webpages should (in general) have the attitude

> that the user ought to be allowed to do whatever she chooses to do.

Your own site malfunctions at my preferred text size!

http://102673.atspace.com/pic2.htm

TC (MVP MSAccess)
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Posted by Jack on July 28, 2006, 2:24 pm

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TC wrote:

> Jack wrote:

>> people who design webpages should (in general) have the attitude

>> that the user ought to be allowed to do whatever she chooses to do.

> Your own site malfunctions at my preferred text size!

> http://102673.atspace.com/pic2.htm

Thanks!

It's new (or rather it's just had a major revamp), and I haven't yet had
a chance to do 'destructive testing' on it. I've spent a whole lot of
time on it over the last three months, and I had to make it live, just
to justify the effort to myself.

If you're wondering what took three months, well, it's not the
appearance. The thing's driven by Java, XML and XSLT, and it's supposed
eventually to do a lot more than displaying static HTML (which is most
of what it's doing at the moment).

Anyway - I obviously need to take another look at the CSS.
--
Jack.
http://www.jackpot.uk.net/

Posted by TC on July 29, 2006, 9:36 am

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Jack wrote:

> The thing's driven by Java, XML and XSLT

I've had one experience marrying RSS + XML + XSLT + HTML + CSS. The
experience took 10 years off my life, I don't intend to do it again!
:-)

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Posted by Chris F.A. Johnson on July 27, 2006, 9:41 pm

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On 2006-07-27, PTM wrote:

>>> I suppose if you were a teacher and a kid in your classroom asked how he

>>> could make an indelible ink he could use to write on his desk, you would

>>> tell him how to make it instead of telling him not to do it?

>> Personally, I don't like taking control from users when I design web

>> pages. I've debated many interface design issues with my boss in the

>> past; however. I don't view any of my opinions as some

>> holier-than-thou, moral principal that I must follow at all cost in

>> order to be a REAL human being. I've had more than one instance where

>> a manager or client has ask me to do something to the interface that

>> limited user control. I made my case, but ultimately lost the argument

>> and did it their way in the end. For me, it isn't worth losing my job

>> or a large sum of money over something so trivial. So, try to take

>> that into mind when people ask these questions. Sometimes they may

>> agree with the principal, but their boss doesn't agree.

> I totally agree with you Matt, I think Harlan was just being pedantic.

"...the word "pedantic" is used to describe those who care
about accuracy, by those who don't." (Richard Heathfield)

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