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How to define a HTML page not allow scroll bars and resize? RC 07-26-2006
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Posted by Jack on July 27, 2006, 4:53 am
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PTM wrote:
>
> And here was me thinking that in a newsgroup you asked a question in
> order to find out some information, not to get an agitated response
> as to why you shouldn't do what you want to.

It's regularly pointed out that these newsgroups don't comprise a
helpdesk; people will discuss whatever aspects of your post they see fit.

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Jack.
http://www.jackpot.uk.net/

Posted by Harlan Messinger on July 27, 2006, 9:08 am
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PTM wrote:

>
> And here was me thinking that in a newsgroup you asked a question in order
> to find out some information, not to get an agitated response as to why you
> shouldn't do what you want to.

I suppose if you were a teacher and a kid in your classroom asked how he
could make an indelible ink he could use to write on his desk, you would
tell him how to make it instead of telling him not to do it?

Posted by Matt on July 27, 2006, 9:46 am
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> I suppose if you were a teacher and a kid in your classroom asked how he
> could make an indelible ink he could use to write on his desk, you would
> tell him how to make it instead of telling him not to do it?

Personally, I don't like taking control from users when I design web
pages. I've debated many interface design issues with my boss in the
past; however. I don't view any of my opinions as some
holier-than-thou, moral principal that I must follow at all cost in
order to be a REAL human being. I've had more than one instance where
a manager or client has ask me to do something to the interface that
limited user control. I made my case, but ultimately lost the argument
and did it their way in the end. For me, it isn't worth losing my job
or a large sum of money over something so trivial. So, try to take
that into mind when people ask these questions. Sometimes they may
agree with the principal, but their boss doesn't agree.


Posted by PTM on July 27, 2006, 11:02 am
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>> I suppose if you were a teacher and a kid in your classroom asked how he
>> could make an indelible ink he could use to write on his desk, you would
>> tell him how to make it instead of telling him not to do it?
>
> Personally, I don't like taking control from users when I design web
> pages. I've debated many interface design issues with my boss in the
> past; however. I don't view any of my opinions as some
> holier-than-thou, moral principal that I must follow at all cost in
> order to be a REAL human being. I've had more than one instance where
> a manager or client has ask me to do something to the interface that
> limited user control. I made my case, but ultimately lost the argument
> and did it their way in the end. For me, it isn't worth losing my job
> or a large sum of money over something so trivial. So, try to take
> that into mind when people ask these questions. Sometimes they may
> agree with the principal, but their boss doesn't agree.
>

I totally agree with you Matt, I think Harlan was just being pedantic.



Posted by Jack on July 27, 2006, 12:55 pm
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PTM wrote (quoting Matt, whose quote I snip):
>> Personally, I don't like taking control from users when I design
>> web pages.
>
> I totally agree with you Matt, I think Harlan was just being
> pedantic.
>
It is a fundamental principle of GUI design that the user is in control.
This is obviously so at the very low level of stuff like mouse events
and so on; it may be less obvious that the principle is supposed to be
applied all the way up the 'stack'.

That doesn't mean that the user can actually design his own GUI
(although with web-apps, he may indeed be able to do that); it does mean
that people who design webpages should (in general) have the attitude
that the user ought to be allowed to do whatever she chooses to do. That
includes:

* Using a monitor that isn't set to 1024x768
* Changing the default CSS
* Disabling CSS and Javascript
* Applying very large font-size overrides
* Invoking frame-urls from the address-bar
* etc.

Whether the designer agrees that users ought to be allowed to do these
things isn't really important; they *are* allowed to do them, so the
designers' page-designs ought to accomodate that aspect of reality.

If the designer is out of sympathy with the fact of the users' power,
then their page-designs are likely to cause problems for someone sooner
or later. I like to think that the "someone" in question is the
designer, not the user - the user can usually go elsewhere.

--
Jack.
http://www.jackpot.uk.net/

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