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How secure is remote desktop Cnews 06-16-2008
Posted by Cnews on June 16, 2008, 8:46 pm
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I had a consultant give me the fire drill about how our network is at risk
because we have 2 people connecting via remote desktop to 1 server. These
are set in GP to enforce high encryption level. My understanding is this
is secure- and according to the technet article I read- even login
credentials are encrypted.
Is this correct? Is the contractor just trying to scare us to have hime
setup a vpn for $$$.
Looking for comments

Thanks

craig



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craig@milwaukeenet.net
www.milwaukeenet.net
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Posted by S. Pidgorny on June 17, 2008, 5:25 am
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Yes, everything is encrypted. Remote Desktop even support s smart card
authentication. VPN is perceived to be more secure but in reality it doesn't
add much. As an example - virtual desktop infrastructures that are very
popular today rely on thin client protocols (RDP/ICA) for security, not VPN.
It will be a stretch to come up with an attack scenario that is valid for
remote desktop but mitigated using VPN.

--
Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MS MVP - Security, MCSE
-= F1 is the key =-

* http://sl.mvps.org * http://msmvps.com/blogs/sp *

>I had a consultant give me the fire drill about how our network is at risk
> because we have 2 people connecting via remote desktop to 1 server.
> These
> are set in GP to enforce high encryption level. My understanding is this
> is secure- and according to the technet article I read- even login
> credentials are encrypted.
> Is this correct? Is the contractor just trying to scare us to have hime
> setup a vpn for $$$.
> Looking for comments
>
> Thanks
>
> craig
>
>
>
> --
> Craig Niedringhaus
> craig@milwaukeenet.net
> www.milwaukeenet.net
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Posted by Steve Riley [MSFT] on June 17, 2008, 12:58 pm
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Agreed. It's bidirectional TLS with long keys, which is essentially
equivalent to VPN.

Maybe you should re-evaluate your relationship with this consultant. :)


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Steve Riley
steve.riley@microsoft.com
http://blogs.technet.com/steriley
http://www.protectyourwindowsnetwork.com



> Yes, everything is encrypted. Remote Desktop even support s smart card
> authentication. VPN is perceived to be more secure but in reality it
> doesn't add much. As an example - virtual desktop infrastructures that are
> very popular today rely on thin client protocols (RDP/ICA) for security,
> not VPN. It will be a stretch to come up with an attack scenario that is
> valid for remote desktop but mitigated using VPN.
>
> --
> Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MS MVP - Security, MCSE
> -= F1 is the key =-
>
> * http://sl.mvps.org * http://msmvps.com/blogs/sp *
>
>>I had a consultant give me the fire drill about how our network is at risk
>> because we have 2 people connecting via remote desktop to 1 server. These
>> are set in GP to enforce high encryption level. My understanding is
>> this
>> is secure- and according to the technet article I read- even login
>> credentials are encrypted.
>> Is this correct? Is the contractor just trying to scare us to have hime
>> setup a vpn for $$$.
>> Looking for comments
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> craig
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Craig Niedringhaus
>> craig@milwaukeenet.net
>> www.milwaukeenet.net
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Posted by Daniel Petri on June 19, 2008, 7:04 am
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I'll drop my $0.02 here. Perhaps the consultant warned you against the risks
of allowing TCP port 3389 through the firewall, and openly advertising that
you're allowing RDP/TS from outside? Using VPN to control who can access the
RDP/TS sessions will add an additional layer of security to your remote
access solution, not because it will do a better job with enrcyption, but
because it will only allow authenticated users to gain access to the RCP/TS
logon window in the first place.

Does this make sense? To me it sure does. This is, BTW, one of the
advantages of using Win2008 TS Gateway to connect to the internal RDP/TS
resources. They are not open to the world unless you gain access through the
TS Gateway first.

HTH

--
Sincerely,

Daniel Petri
MVP, Senior IT consultant, trainer
www.petri.co.il

> Agreed. It's bidirectional TLS with long keys, which is essentially
> equivalent to VPN.
>
> Maybe you should re-evaluate your relationship with this consultant. :)
>
>
> --
> Steve Riley
> steve.riley@microsoft.com
> http://blogs.technet.com/steriley
> http://www.protectyourwindowsnetwork.com
>
>
>
>> Yes, everything is encrypted. Remote Desktop even support s smart card
>> authentication. VPN is perceived to be more secure but in reality it
>> doesn't add much. As an example - virtual desktop infrastructures that
>> are very popular today rely on thin client protocols (RDP/ICA) for
>> security, not VPN. It will be a stretch to come up with an attack
>> scenario that is valid for remote desktop but mitigated using VPN.
>>
>> --
>> Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MS MVP - Security, MCSE
>> -= F1 is the key =-
>>
>> * http://sl.mvps.org * http://msmvps.com/blogs/sp *
>>
>>>I had a consultant give me the fire drill about how our network is at
>>>risk
>>> because we have 2 people connecting via remote desktop to 1 server.
>>> These
>>> are set in GP to enforce high encryption level. My understanding is
>>> this
>>> is secure- and according to the technet article I read- even login
>>> credentials are encrypted.
>>> Is this correct? Is the contractor just trying to scare us to have
>>> hime
>>> setup a vpn for $$$.
>>> Looking for comments
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> craig
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Craig Niedringhaus
>>> craig@milwaukeenet.net
>>> www.milwaukeenet.net
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>>> Version: PGP 8.0.2
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>>
>>


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