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How does the CMOS hard drive password work? BillW50 04-29-2008
Posted by G.G.Willikers on May 1, 2008, 4:44 am
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Barry Watzman wrote:
> Hard drive passwords are handled in the drive and it's part of the IDE
> spec. Using this is quite risky, you can get locked out of your own
> drive. Basically, at power on, the ONLY command that the drive will
> recognize is the "enter password" command, and until that is done (with
> the correct password), the drive isn't even detected by the bios at all
> (it acts like a "dead" hard drive to all commands (including "identify
> drive") except the enter password command, until the correct password is
> entered).
>
> That means, among other things, that you will never be able to use that
> drive in any computer (laptop or desktop, internal or external) that
> doesn't support hard drive passwords in it's bios.
>
> Once the correct password is entered the drive behaves normally until
> the next reset or power down. There is, for most practical purposes, no
> way at all to bypass the password.
>

I have effectively mounted a "password protected" HD under Knoppix Live,
via a USB cable interface and copied all contents of the HD to another
physical drive. It is all a bunch of marketing huey.

Posted by R.Smith on May 1, 2008, 6:00 am
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> I have effectively mounted a "password protected" HD under Knoppix
> Live, via a USB cable interface and copied all contents of the HD to
> another physical drive. It is all a bunch of marketing huey.

I'll bet it wasnt an ATA password then. Virtually impossible to crack
unless you pay Rockbox or someone to clear it. People have been trying
to crack these for years, including mounting under Linux. It doesnt
work. Your drive may have had some sort of password software on it but
it wasnt an ATA one thats for sure.



Posted by Barry Watzman on May 2, 2008, 7:09 pm
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I beg to differ with you. If you did what you claim, the drive was not
truly protected by the mechanism that we are talking about. That
mechanism is OS independent, works before any OS boots on the machine,
and the drive is totally invisible and inaccessible until the correct
password is entered.

You were dealing with a different protection mechanism than that which
we are discussing.


G.G.Willikers wrote:
> Barry Watzman wrote:
>> Hard drive passwords are handled in the drive and it's part of the IDE
>> spec. Using this is quite risky, you can get locked out of your own
>> drive. Basically, at power on, the ONLY command that the drive will
>> recognize is the "enter password" command, and until that is done
>> (with the correct password), the drive isn't even detected by the bios
>> at all (it acts like a "dead" hard drive to all commands (including
>> "identify drive") except the enter password command, until the correct
>> password is entered).
>>
>> That means, among other things, that you will never be able to use
>> that drive in any computer (laptop or desktop, internal or external)
>> that doesn't support hard drive passwords in it's bios.
>>
>> Once the correct password is entered the drive behaves normally until
>> the next reset or power down. There is, for most practical purposes,
>> no way at all to bypass the password.
>>
>
> I have effectively mounted a "password protected" HD under Knoppix Live,
> via a USB cable interface and copied all contents of the HD to another
> physical drive. It is all a bunch of marketing huey.

Posted by Mark F on May 15, 2008, 7:23 pm
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On Fri, 02 May 2008 19:09:40 -0400, Barry Watzman in part:
> I beg to differ with you. If you did what you claim, the drive was not
> truly protected by the mechanism that we are talking about. That
> mechanism is OS independent, works before any OS boots on the machine,
> and the drive is totally invisible and inaccessible until the correct
> password is entered.
Someone else said:
> >
> > I have effectively mounted a "password protected" HD under Knoppix Live,
> > via a USB cable interface and copied all contents of the HD to another
> > physical drive. It is all a bunch of marketing huey.
In fact, I thought that the problem was just the opposite:
If the drive is password protected than you can't access it through
USB at all since there is no way to enter the password.

(I suppose someone could make disk box with a USB interface that
allowed you to enter the password using an "out of band" method
to enter the password. There certainly are a bunch of external
boxes with hardware keys that are needed to encrypt/decrypt the
data on the disk.)

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