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How can I buy a mortgage from a mortgage company? Frank-Z 01-09-2006
Posted by Frank-Z on January 9, 2006, 4:23 pm
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This is really just a hypothetical question, but I am posting it after
reading a post in the misc.legal newsgroup ("Is it possible to get court
order for possession?" 01/08/06). The posting was about a co-signer on a
car loan, but I wonder how the same scenario might work in the case of a
co-signer on a mortgage.

Here's the hypothetical:

I buy a house with my wife, and we get a mortgage which we both sign. Later
we separate and get divorced (no kids involved). In dividing up the assets,
I quitclaim my ownership interest in the house to my ex-wife with the
understanding that she will live in the house and make the mortgage
payments. She stops making the mortgage payments, but refuses to transfer
the property back to me, and continues to live there without any mortgage
payments. I think I am stuck with the option of either continuing to make
the mortgage payments on my own to protect my credit rating, or let the
mortgage company foreclose on the mortgage, which will ruin my credit and
may subject me to paying a deficiency judgment.

Meanwhile, I get the bright idea from a newsgroup on the internet that maybe
I can just buy the mortgage from the mortgage company, have my ex-wife then
obligated to make the mortgage payments to me, and when she doesn't pay I
foreclose and get the property back.

By "buy the mortgage from the mortgage company", I mean the mortgage company
sells the mortgage to me and records an Assignment of Mortgage showing that
I am now the mortgagee.

Of course, I would need to have enough money to give to the mortgage company
to assign the mortgage to me, but I don't want the mortgage to be paid off
so no "Satisfaction of Mortgage" would be recorded.

Anyone have any ideas or clues about "how" or "if" that could be made to
happen? I know mortgage companies are not in the habit of selling one
individual mortgage to someone, but does that seem reasonably possible to
arrange?



Posted by Allen Greenspan on January 13, 2006, 1:25 pm
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Frank,

Is this just paying off the mortgage? How different is buying the mortgage
vs paying off the mortgage?

jv


> This is really just a hypothetical question, but I am posting it after
> reading a post in the misc.legal newsgroup ("Is it possible to get court
> order for possession?" 01/08/06). The posting was about a co-signer on a
> car loan, but I wonder how the same scenario might work in the case of a
> co-signer on a mortgage.
>
> Here's the hypothetical:
>
> I buy a house with my wife, and we get a mortgage which we both sign.
> Later
> we separate and get divorced (no kids involved). In dividing up the
> assets,
> I quitclaim my ownership interest in the house to my ex-wife with the
> understanding that she will live in the house and make the mortgage
> payments. She stops making the mortgage payments, but refuses to transfer
> the property back to me, and continues to live there without any mortgage
> payments. I think I am stuck with the option of either continuing to make
> the mortgage payments on my own to protect my credit rating, or let the
> mortgage company foreclose on the mortgage, which will ruin my credit and
> may subject me to paying a deficiency judgment.
>
> Meanwhile, I get the bright idea from a newsgroup on the internet that
> maybe
> I can just buy the mortgage from the mortgage company, have my ex-wife
> then
> obligated to make the mortgage payments to me, and when she doesn't pay I
> foreclose and get the property back.
>
> By "buy the mortgage from the mortgage company", I mean the mortgage
> company
> sells the mortgage to me and records an Assignment of Mortgage showing
> that
> I am now the mortgagee.
>
> Of course, I would need to have enough money to give to the mortgage
> company
> to assign the mortgage to me, but I don't want the mortgage to be paid off
> so no "Satisfaction of Mortgage" would be recorded.
>
> Anyone have any ideas or clues about "how" or "if" that could be made to
> happen? I know mortgage companies are not in the habit of selling one
> individual mortgage to someone, but does that seem reasonably possible to
> arrange?
>
>



Posted by Frank-Z on January 18, 2006, 10:43 am
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Sorry, I missed your reply before today.

I don't know if this is true, but my thinking is that the mortgage company
would be assigning the rights to collect on the mortgage. And the present
mortgage company wants to make a profit on the mortgage they have. So, I am
assuming that they would assign the mortgage to someone else for some price
(say $10,000) which amounts to more than they would make in profit on the
mortgage if they continued to try to collect it on their own. It's possible
they would require the Assignee to post some additional collateral to secure
the assignment, but I don't know about that. That's partly why I posted
here -- to see if anything can clue me in on how this might work in the real
world.

As far as paying off the mortgage -- that wouldn't work because the person
doing the payoff wouldn't own the property and would have just removed the
mortgage lien on the property for the person who is still living there and
not paying. What the assignee really wants is to not have his credit ruined
by the first person not paying the mortgage, and to be able to foreclose and
gain ownership of the property if the person living in the property
continues to refuse to pay the mortgage.

> Frank,
>
> Is this just paying off the mortgage? How different is buying the
mortgage
> vs paying off the mortgage?
>
> jv
>
>
> > This is really just a hypothetical question, but I am posting it after
> > reading a post in the misc.legal newsgroup ("Is it possible to get court
> > order for possession?" 01/08/06). The posting was about a co-signer on
a
> > car loan, but I wonder how the same scenario might work in the case of a
> > co-signer on a mortgage.
> >
> > Here's the hypothetical:
> >
> > I buy a house with my wife, and we get a mortgage which we both sign.
> > Later
> > we separate and get divorced (no kids involved). In dividing up the
> > assets,
> > I quitclaim my ownership interest in the house to my ex-wife with the
> > understanding that she will live in the house and make the mortgage
> > payments. She stops making the mortgage payments, but refuses to
transfer
> > the property back to me, and continues to live there without any
mortgage
> > payments. I think I am stuck with the option of either continuing to
make
> > the mortgage payments on my own to protect my credit rating, or let the
> > mortgage company foreclose on the mortgage, which will ruin my credit
and
> > may subject me to paying a deficiency judgment.
> >
> > Meanwhile, I get the bright idea from a newsgroup on the internet that
> > maybe
> > I can just buy the mortgage from the mortgage company, have my ex-wife
> > then
> > obligated to make the mortgage payments to me, and when she doesn't pay
I
> > foreclose and get the property back.
> >
> > By "buy the mortgage from the mortgage company", I mean the mortgage
> > company
> > sells the mortgage to me and records an Assignment of Mortgage showing
> > that
> > I am now the mortgagee.
> >
> > Of course, I would need to have enough money to give to the mortgage
> > company
> > to assign the mortgage to me, but I don't want the mortgage to be paid
off
> > so no "Satisfaction of Mortgage" would be recorded.
> >
> > Anyone have any ideas or clues about "how" or "if" that could be made to
> > happen? I know mortgage companies are not in the habit of selling one
> > individual mortgage to someone, but does that seem reasonably possible
to
> > arrange?
> >
> >
>
>



Posted by Novawolf on March 1, 2006, 1:02 am
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(top posting)

Sorry about the late reply. I just joined the list but wanted to give some
info. I worked for a mortgage company as a payoff processor, and we did loan
assignments *every* day. One guy I knew for certain was actually an
individual who would buy and sell loans like the big dogs. He had a
corporation - fees to incorporate vary by state - and with this company
bought and sold both property and deeds as an investment activity. Now, as I
understand it (please note I am not a mortgage broker or loan officer) the
assignment of mortgage is fairly straightforward, but you would need access
to her personal financial information, which she may or may not be willing
to give you. Then, you would have to convince the mortgage company to assign
or sell the mortgage to you. Can this be forced in the courts? I don't know.
But it's certainly intriguing.

Good luck,
-Nova
> This is really just a hypothetical question, but I am posting it after
> reading a post in the misc.legal newsgroup ("Is it possible to get court
> order for possession?" 01/08/06). The posting was about a co-signer on a
> car loan, but I wonder how the same scenario might work in the case of a
> co-signer on a mortgage.
>
> Here's the hypothetical:
>
> I buy a house with my wife, and we get a mortgage which we both sign.
> Later
> we separate and get divorced (no kids involved). In dividing up the
> assets,
> I quitclaim my ownership interest in the house to my ex-wife with the
> understanding that she will live in the house and make the mortgage
> payments. She stops making the mortgage payments, but refuses to transfer
> the property back to me, and continues to live there without any mortgage
> payments. I think I am stuck with the option of either continuing to make
> the mortgage payments on my own to protect my credit rating, or let the
> mortgage company foreclose on the mortgage, which will ruin my credit and
> may subject me to paying a deficiency judgment.
>
> Meanwhile, I get the bright idea from a newsgroup on the internet that
> maybe
> I can just buy the mortgage from the mortgage company, have my ex-wife
> then
> obligated to make the mortgage payments to me, and when she doesn't pay I
> foreclose and get the property back.
>
> By "buy the mortgage from the mortgage company", I mean the mortgage
> company
> sells the mortgage to me and records an Assignment of Mortgage showing
> that
> I am now the mortgagee.
>
> Of course, I would need to have enough money to give to the mortgage
> company
> to assign the mortgage to me, but I don't want the mortgage to be paid off
> so no "Satisfaction of Mortgage" would be recorded.
>
> Anyone have any ideas or clues about "how" or "if" that could be made to
> happen? I know mortgage companies are not in the habit of selling one
> individual mortgage to someone, but does that seem reasonably possible to
> arrange?
>
>



Posted by Frank-Z on March 1, 2006, 10:43 pm
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> Sorry about the late reply. I just joined the list but wanted to give some
> info. I worked for a mortgage company as a payoff processor, and we did
> loan assignments *every* day.

Thanks for responding. I wonder how those assignment transactions worked.
For example, if the mortgage balance was $100,000 at a 6% rate with 20 years
left on a 30-year mortgage, how much would someone have to pay to have the
mortgage assigned to him? I understand that you probably wouldn't know how
that part worked, but if by any chance any of your former co-workers could
explain that, it would be interesting to know.

I also know that most mortgages are sold (assigned) to another company soon
after they are written. In other words, the mortgage brokers write the
mortgages, make a commission, and then sell the mortgages to a third party.
I just wonder how much the third party pays to buy the mortgage.





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