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High Power USB hub port... Al Gillis 08-29-2007
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Posted by Al Gillis on August 29, 2007, 4:25 pm
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Family pressures were brought to bear on me yesterday and I had to go to
Costco. So, to do my part to keep America and China strong I bought a
SanDisk 2 gigabyte flash drive.

The specs on this gizmo claim to need a "high power USB hub port". So I
looked briefly at Dell dot com but couldn't learn if my Precision M-60 or my
Inspiron 1705 has such a port.

Can you please help me? Point me to a reference on the Dell site or on the
USB.org site? Or explain that the wording "hub port" means I need an
external hub to run this gizmo? (I'll go look at sandisk.com as well).

Thanks in advance!

Al



Posted by Pen on August 29, 2007, 7:11 pm
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Al Gillis wrote:
> Family pressures were brought to bear on me yesterday and I had to go to
> Costco. So, to do my part to keep America and China strong I bought a
> SanDisk 2 gigabyte flash drive.
>
> The specs on this gizmo claim to need a "high power USB hub port". So I
> looked briefly at Dell dot com but couldn't learn if my Precision M-60 or my
> Inspiron 1705 has such a port.
>
> Can you please help me? Point me to a reference on the Dell site or on the
> USB.org site? Or explain that the wording "hub port" means I need an
> external hub to run this gizmo? (I'll go look at sandisk.com as well).
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Al
>
>
Dell docs are found here;
http://support.dell.com/support/systemsinfo/documentation.aspx?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs&~cat=12&~subcat=87

Both machines are new enough that you should have USB 2.0

Posted by Barry Watzman on August 29, 2007, 8:45 pm
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The terminology is so non-standard that I don't think it's possible to
determine what it means. The most likely meaning is that it's going to
want close to 500ma, which is officially the "limit" for a USB port.

Frankly, I'd just try it where you intend to use it (try it on a port
that is directly on the motherboard if at all possible). If it doesn't
work, and you need to use it with that computer, then try it with a
powered hub.

Al Gillis wrote:
> Family pressures were brought to bear on me yesterday and I had to go to
> Costco. So, to do my part to keep America and China strong I bought a
> SanDisk 2 gigabyte flash drive.
>
> The specs on this gizmo claim to need a "high power USB hub port". So I
> looked briefly at Dell dot com but couldn't learn if my Precision M-60 or my
> Inspiron 1705 has such a port.
>
> Can you please help me? Point me to a reference on the Dell site or on the
> USB.org site? Or explain that the wording "hub port" means I need an
> external hub to run this gizmo? (I'll go look at sandisk.com as well).
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Al
>
>

Posted by SMS on August 29, 2007, 9:20 pm
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Al Gillis wrote:
> Family pressures were brought to bear on me yesterday and I had to go to
> Costco. So, to do my part to keep America and China strong I bought a
> SanDisk 2 gigabyte flash drive.
>
> The specs on this gizmo claim to need a "high power USB hub port". So I
> looked briefly at Dell dot com but couldn't learn if my Precision M-60 or my
> Inspiron 1705 has such a port.
>
> Can you please help me? Point me to a reference on the Dell site or on the
> USB.org site? Or explain that the wording "hub port" means I need an
> external hub to run this gizmo? (I'll go look at sandisk.com as well).
>
> Thanks in advance!

It needs a port that is capable of providing the full 500mA. Any USB
port on the computer will be fine as each USB port can provide a minimum
of 500mA. What you probably can't do is plug it into an unpowered hub
when there are other devices on the hub that also require quite a bit of
power. There are also some PDAs which can be a USB host that probably
can't source 500mA.

Some HP machines have a special USB connector that can provide 1.5A and
it's used for external CD-ROM/DVD drives. You can see a photo of one at
"http://nordicgroup.us/chargers/" click on "Explanation of USB Current
Limits".

While the USB specification guarantees only 500mA per USB port, this is
a minimum, the port doesn't shut down at 501ma! In most cases a USB port
will supply 750-1000mA before the over-current protection circuit shuts
it down, especially if not all USB ports on the system are used (there
are no guarantees, so don't run out and design a device that draws
1000mA). For example, the National Semiconductor LM3544, a widely used
over-current protector, limits the current per port to 1.0A (typical)
even though the total current limit for four ports is 2.0 amps (to
protect the power supply). What this means is that if you don't use all
the USB ports, the ones you do use will be able to supply more than
500mA of current. This is why external notebook hard disk drives will
usually work without using the external power adapter, or Y adapter (two
USB ports power the device), even though they draw more than 500mA.
Obviously you shouldn't try to connect four external DVD±R/W drives to
one computer, without using the external power supplies for the drives.
While you shouldn't design a USB peripheral that exceeds the guaranteed
500mA, the reality is that the limit is often exceeded without any
consequences.

Posted by Barry Watzman on August 29, 2007, 11:38 pm
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Re: "It needs a port that is capable of providing the full 500mA. Any
USB port on the computer will be fine as each USB port can provide a
minimum of 500mA."

That's not always true on laptops, unfortunately.

SMS wrote:
> Al Gillis wrote:
>> Family pressures were brought to bear on me yesterday and I had to go
>> to Costco. So, to do my part to keep America and China strong I
>> bought a SanDisk 2 gigabyte flash drive.
>>
>> The specs on this gizmo claim to need a "high power USB hub port". So
>> I looked briefly at Dell dot com but couldn't learn if my Precision
>> M-60 or my Inspiron 1705 has such a port.
>>
>> Can you please help me? Point me to a reference on the Dell site or
>> on the USB.org site? Or explain that the wording "hub port" means I
>> need an external hub to run this gizmo? (I'll go look at sandisk.com
>> as well).
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
>
> What you probably can't do is plug it into an unpowered hub
> when there are other devices on the hub that also require quite a bit of
> power. There are also some PDAs which can be a USB host that probably
> can't source 500mA.
>
> Some HP machines have a special USB connector that can provide 1.5A and
> it's used for external CD-ROM/DVD drives. You can see a photo of one at
> "http://nordicgroup.us/chargers/" click on "Explanation of USB Current
> Limits".
>
> While the USB specification guarantees only 500mA per USB port, this is
> a minimum, the port doesn't shut down at 501ma! In most cases a USB port
> will supply 750-1000mA before the over-current protection circuit shuts
> it down, especially if not all USB ports on the system are used (there
> are no guarantees, so don't run out and design a device that draws
> 1000mA). For example, the National Semiconductor LM3544, a widely used
> over-current protector, limits the current per port to 1.0A (typical)
> even though the total current limit for four ports is 2.0 amps (to
> protect the power supply). What this means is that if you don't use all
> the USB ports, the ones you do use will be able to supply more than
> 500mA of current. This is why external notebook hard disk drives will
> usually work without using the external power adapter, or Y adapter (two
> USB ports power the device), even though they draw more than 500mA.
> Obviously you shouldn't try to connect four external DVD±R/W drives to
> one computer, without using the external power supplies for the drives.
> While you shouldn't design a USB peripheral that exceeds the guaranteed
> 500mA, the reality is that the limit is often exceeded without any
> consequences.

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