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Help with web site management Tim Dietz 02-11-2005
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Posted by Tim Dietz on February 11, 2005, 6:26 am
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Due to lack of time, I have used MS FrontPage to create a few web
sites. I've grown to despise it and want (and now have the time) to
really learn HTML, CSS, etc. to create new sites. One feature of FP
that I did like is that you could add a new page and easily incorporate
the new page into the navigation system--you didn't have to edit each
page to add a new link.

So, my question is, what do you professionals do when you add a page to
a site? Do you manually edit each page where you want a new link in
the nav bar, or do you recommend some kind of tool to update all
desired pages?


Thanks,

Tim



Posted by Jerry Sievers on February 11, 2005, 10:08 am
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> So, my question is, what do you professionals do when you add a page to
> a site? Do you manually edit each page where you want a new link in
> the nav bar, or do you recommend some kind of tool to update all
> desired pages?

None of the above.

Standard navbars should (IMO) always be done using either server side
include or PHP or equivalent. And of course, the navbar text is in a
single file (or small group of files).

And it's possible to use a cascading approach where site wide
navigation is in a single file and section specific navigation in
seperate files.

Site nav:
        link1
        link2
        ...

Section 1 nav:
        include site nav
        link1
        link2
        ...

Section 2 nav:
        include site nav
        link1
        ...

And so your pages will call any of the above nav bar files.

Per page navigation can go anyplace you like and I usually put it
below the called navbar.

Include section 2 nav
hard coded link 1
hard coded link 2
....

HTH

PS: If you really must gan-bang bunches of pages, learning a text
proecssing language is very useful but the learning curve steep
indeed.

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Posted by Tim Dietz on February 11, 2005, 9:09 am
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Thanks to everyone for your ideas (and your quick responses). I'm a
software engineer, so I'm not afraid to get dirty, it's just that I've
never needed to work seriously in the web-development arena before. I
know there are zillions of ways to do the same thing and I wanted to
get opinions of people like yourselves who do this for a living. So,
thank you for your input and if there are any other ideas, I'm open to
hearing them.

Also, if you have any links to sites that would be helpful to me, I'd
appreciate it.


Thanks again.

Tim



Posted by Peter - nativespace hosting on February 11, 2005, 2:59 pm
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Tim Dietz wrote:
> Due to lack of time, I have used MS FrontPage to create a few web
> sites. I've grown to despise it and want (and now have the time) to
> really learn HTML, CSS, etc. to create new sites. One feature of FP
> that I did like is that you could add a new page and easily
> incorporate the new page into the navigation system--you didn't have
> to edit each page to add a new link.
>
> So, my question is, what do you professionals do when you add a page
> to a site? Do you manually edit each page where you want a new link
> in the nav bar, or do you recommend some kind of tool to update all
> desired pages?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim

You could investigate the template feature of Dreamweaver. You create a
structure for your pages, and then create your pages from that template
structure. Update the template and it ripples through your site and updates
every page.

You could also try SSI (Server Side Includes)

Hope this helps,
Pete

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Posted by Stephen Poley on February 11, 2005, 3:37 pm
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>Due to lack of time, I have used MS FrontPage to create a few web
>sites. I've grown to despise it and want (and now have the time) to
>really learn HTML, CSS, etc. to create new sites. One feature of FP
>that I did like is that you could add a new page and easily incorporate
>the new page into the navigation system--you didn't have to edit each
>page to add a new link.
>
>So, my question is, what do you professionals do when you add a page to
>a site? Do you manually edit each page where you want a new link in
>the nav bar, or do you recommend some kind of tool to update all
>desired pages?

For serious work: I place menus, footers etc in separate files and
include them in the main HTML files with PHP (or SSI, JSP ...)

At home: similar, but I use preprocessing (Orb actually) because I don't
(yet) feel like spending extra money on a hosting account which supports
server-side processing.

--
Stephen Poley

http://www.xs4all.nl/~sbpoley/webmatters/


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