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Posted by Beauregard T. Shagnasty on August 31, 2005, 5:41 pm
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michaelzap@gmail.com wrote:
> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>
>> Please read: http://www.safalra.com/special/googlegroupsreply/
>
> Thanks for the tip!
You're welcome; I see it works.
>> One error can cause unexpected results. Best to fix them all
>> first.
>
> True. I'll fix them and see. Although I believe these errors are
> all specific to the home page, and this issue exists on all pages
> (and in another similar design I'm working on now).
"This issue" isn't much of an issue, to me. <g>
>> Switch back to Strict. Transitional is for .. modifications to
>> legacy pages you don't want to totally rewrite.
>
> I think that it does not validate as Strict, but it's been a while
> and I don't remember for sure.
Then write it so it will validate with Strict. Shouldn't be difficult
at all.
>> Don't understand how you could center the page vertically. It is
>> already about "two scrolls worth" of page.
>
> Depends on your monitor... On larger monitors this table causes the
> entire page to center vertically as well as horizontally. I like
> that effect enough to use a table to get it.
When I look at the page with a max 1024x768 resolution, and browser
maximized, the most-bottom thing I see is the link to "Hakko U.S.A.
Vice President". You must either have a very large monitor, or you
have no toolbars or tabs at the top of your browser window.
Besides, everyone I know expects the page to begin at the top of the
browser viewport, not in the middle.
>> If you must have background borders around the content, just do
>> that with some margin to the master <div>.
>
> That's how I'm doing it, but it's not working as I want on Firefox.
>
> Could it have to do with display:table? Without that Firefox does
> not wrap the div around the content, so I had to add it (and a
> second inner wrapper div). But perhaps I need to declare a
> border-collapse or other property for this div when it's defined
> that way?
Sorry, I've never needed to do that.
>>> So you don't see an extra pixel or two of white space around
>>> the inside edges in Firefox (on either end of the menu bar, for
>>> example)? Hmm that would be great if it's just me. Still I'm
>>> mocking up a similar site now, and I'm seeing the same issue on
>>> all four sides of the wrapper div.
>>
>> Yes, I do see a couple pixels of "white" space at the ends of the
>> menu bar. I like it that way. <g> From my non-deeziner's eye,
>> add even another pixel or two.
>
> It's funny, but everyone else says the same thing to me and wonders
> why I'm obsessing over something that looks different but fine.
Well, there is your answer! As I said above, it looks just fine the
way it is. 'Tis a good-looking site. The only thing I don't really
care for is the fact that it is fixed-width and requires horizontal
scrolling at anything less than about 750px.
http://home.rochester.rr.com/bshagnasty/bgridmarginset.html
Remember too, that none of your real visitors are going to look at the
pages in more than one browser. Only us authors compare across
multiple browsers. I doubt if anyone will ever contact you and say,
"Hey! There's a two-pixel white space next to the menu!! I'm not going
to buy your products!!!"
> I've lived with it this way for a while now, but now that I'm doing
> a new design with the same problem I want to figure it out once and
> for all. Call me obsessive (it's true).
Ok, you're obsessive!
> Thanks for your comments, btw.
Welcome.
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