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Having hard time retrieving Laptop hard drive data rantr13 10-17-2006
Posted by rantr13 on October 17, 2006, 8:10 pm
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I am trying to recover data from my laptop's hard drive.

I took the hard drive out of the laptop and put it in one of those
external hard drive boxes that connect to the USB port of a PC and
within a few minutes the drive showed up including access to all the
files inside the old hard drive.

I started switching files around from one folder to another to prepare
to burn them on DVD discs.
Stupid mistake!
I should have immediately copied the files from the old hard drive into
the computer!!!!!

Within about 30 minutes of switching files around, suddenly that
particular hard drive disapeared from the computer saying I no longer
had access to it.

I've tried it on other computers using the same external box and even
went to the point of buying another brand's external box---which the
computer never even recognzied, meaning I had less success with it.

Now, still trying to access the data, all the computer does is set up a
drive for it but it tries yet never actually reads it. All the hard
drive does is turn and turn and turn for hours until I get tired and
unplug it.

Device Manager says the device is working perfectly.

I have even tried one of those internal IDE plug adapters.

I don't know if I need to set jumpers or what but I have tried
everything I possibly know how to try.

Does anyone know of any other possible way or some other method to get
data off this laptop hard drive?

Or is there something I am possibly doing wrong with the devices I have
because most of these devices come with absolutely no or very little
directions.

Help please !

:)


Posted by Barry Watzman on October 17, 2006, 8:39 pm
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Re: "I started switching files around from one folder to another to
prepare to burn them on DVD discs. Stupid mistake! I should have
immediately copied the files from the old hard drive into
the computer!!!!"

You got that part right. In this type of situation, always, always,
always treat the source drive as "read only".

You may have lost the date irrecoverably, but maybe not.

In this type of situation, you will have more luck (if any) using an IDE
interface instead of USB. Get a 2.5" to 3.5" ide cable adapter and try
that.

The information that you get from device manager relates only to the USB
controller in the external box, not to the drive itself.

USB external adapters are fine for drives that work ok and don't have
any fundamental underlying problems. They do not work well, however,
when dealing with a drive that is failing or which has significant
hardware or data structure problems.

[The best way to use an IDE adapter is to temporarily put the laptop
drive, via the adpater, onto the secondary IDE port of a desktop
computer (temporarily disconnect all devices currently connected to that
port, usually optical drives).]


rantr13@yahoo.com wrote:

> I am trying to recover data from my laptop's hard drive.
>
> I took the hard drive out of the laptop and put it in one of those
> external hard drive boxes that connect to the USB port of a PC and
> within a few minutes the drive showed up including access to all the
> files inside the old hard drive.
>
> I started switching files around from one folder to another to prepare
> to burn them on DVD discs.
> Stupid mistake!
> I should have immediately copied the files from the old hard drive into
> the computer!!!!!
>
> Within about 30 minutes of switching files around, suddenly that
> particular hard drive disapeared from the computer saying I no longer
> had access to it.
>
> I've tried it on other computers using the same external box and even
> went to the point of buying another brand's external box---which the
> computer never even recognzied, meaning I had less success with it.
>
> Now, still trying to access the data, all the computer does is set up a
> drive for it but it tries yet never actually reads it. All the hard
> drive does is turn and turn and turn for hours until I get tired and
> unplug it.
>
> Device Manager says the device is working perfectly.
>
> I have even tried one of those internal IDE plug adapters.
>
> I don't know if I need to set jumpers or what but I have tried
> everything I possibly know how to try.
>
> Does anyone know of any other possible way or some other method to get
> data off this laptop hard drive?
>
> Or is there something I am possibly doing wrong with the devices I have
> because most of these devices come with absolutely no or very little
> directions.
>
> Help please !
>
> :)
>

Posted by rantr13 on October 17, 2006, 9:12 pm
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< In this type of situation, you will have more luck (if any) using an
IDE
interface instead of USB. Get a 2.5" to 3.5" ide cable adapter and try

that. >

< The information that you get from device manager relates only to the
USB
controller in the external box, not to the drive itself. >

< USB external adapters are fine for drives that work ok and don't have

any fundamental underlying problems. They do not work well, however,
when dealing with a drive that is failing or which has significant
hardware or data structure problems. >

< [The best way to use an IDE adapter is to temporarily put the laptop
drive, via the adpater, onto the secondary IDE port of a desktop
computer (temporarily disconnect all devices currently connected to
that
port, usually optical drives).] >


In the original message I mentioned:

> > I have even tried one of those internal IDE plug adapters.
> >
> > I don't know if I need to set jumpers or what but I have tried
> > everything I possibly know how to try.


The weird thing is those adapter plugs come with 40 pins when laptop
female IDE cables have one of the pins in the middle blocked. PC's
block one of the pins in the middle probably to insure that it is being
put on correctly since it doesn't use that pin. So basically, you have
to break the middle pin off of the adapter. Neither PC's or laptop's
use them. I looked at the laptop drive and it has no middle pin
either.

So if you have a 40 pin adapter, it isn't able to be fit into your PC's
IDE cable until the middle pin s broken off. Since the laptop has the
pin missing anyway, it evidently is not needed.

So I connected the adapter to the laptop and to the PC's IDE cable
9after breaking off the middle uneeded pin) and connected the power
cable of the adapter-----and it still did absolutely nothing.

I had at least something trying to go on with the USB version (the
extrenal box adapter)....but nothing with the IDE cables. I don't know
if I need to set some jumpers to accept the hard drive as "slave" or
what.

If so, I have no clue how to do that.

Any advice how to use the IDE cable adapters to where they work?
Because they come with absolutely no directions at all whatsoever.






Barry Watzman wrote:
> Re: "I started switching files around from one folder to another to
> prepare to burn them on DVD discs. Stupid mistake! I should have
> immediately copied the files from the old hard drive into
> the computer!!!!"
>
> You got that part right. In this type of situation, always, always,
> always treat the source drive as "read only".
>
> You may have lost the date irrecoverably, but maybe not.
>
> In this type of situation, you will have more luck (if any) using an IDE
> interface instead of USB. Get a 2.5" to 3.5" ide cable adapter and try
> that.
>
> The information that you get from device manager relates only to the USB
> controller in the external box, not to the drive itself.
>
> USB external adapters are fine for drives that work ok and don't have
> any fundamental underlying problems. They do not work well, however,
> when dealing with a drive that is failing or which has significant
> hardware or data structure problems.
>
> [The best way to use an IDE adapter is to temporarily put the laptop
> drive, via the adpater, onto the secondary IDE port of a desktop
> computer (temporarily disconnect all devices currently connected to that
> port, usually optical drives).]
>
>
> rantr13@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > I am trying to recover data from my laptop's hard drive.
> >
> > I took the hard drive out of the laptop and put it in one of those
> > external hard drive boxes that connect to the USB port of a PC and
> > within a few minutes the drive showed up including access to all the
> > files inside the old hard drive.
> >
> > I started switching files around from one folder to another to prepare
> > to burn them on DVD discs.
> > Stupid mistake!
> > I should have immediately copied the files from the old hard drive into
> > the computer!!!!!
> >
> > Within about 30 minutes of switching files around, suddenly that
> > particular hard drive disapeared from the computer saying I no longer
> > had access to it.
> >
> > I've tried it on other computers using the same external box and even
> > went to the point of buying another brand's external box---which the
> > computer never even recognzied, meaning I had less success with it.
> >
> > Now, still trying to access the data, all the computer does is set up a
> > drive for it but it tries yet never actually reads it. All the hard
> > drive does is turn and turn and turn for hours until I get tired and
> > unplug it.
> >
> > Device Manager says the device is working perfectly.
> >
> > I have even tried one of those internal IDE plug adapters.
> >
> > I don't know if I need to set jumpers or what but I have tried
> > everything I possibly know how to try.
> >
> > Does anyone know of any other possible way or some other method to get
> > data off this laptop hard drive?
> >
> > Or is there something I am possibly doing wrong with the devices I have
> > because most of these devices come with absolutely no or very little
> > directions.
> >
> > Help please !
> >
> > :)
> >


Posted by Ian Singer on October 17, 2006, 9:22 pm
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rantr13@yahoo.com wrote:

> The weird thing is those adapter plugs come with 40 pins when laptop
> female IDE cables have one of the pins in the middle blocked. PC's
> block one of the pins in the middle probably to insure that it is being
> put on correctly since it doesn't use that pin. So basically, you have
> to break the middle pin off of the adapter. Neither PC's or laptop's
> use them. I looked at the laptop drive and it has no middle pin
> either.
>
> So if you have a 40 pin adapter, it isn't able to be fit into your PC's
> IDE cable until the middle pin s broken off. Since the laptop has the
> pin missing anyway, it evidently is not needed.
>

I have an adapter here that is a circuit board with a female laptop IDE
adapter on one side, and a male PC IDE adapter on the other side. The PC
side has one pin missing. Yes you have to make sure that the laptop
drive is not plugged in upside down so pin 1 on the laptop drive has to
go on the end closest to the power adapter. Not sure what you are
talking about, but did you have the drive reversed?

Ian Singer

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Posted by rantr13 on October 17, 2006, 9:36 pm
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> Yes you have to make sure that the laptop
drive is not plugged in upside down so pin 1 on the laptop drive has to

go on the end closest to the power adapter. Not sure what you are
talking about, but did you have the drive reversed? >

Nope, it was connected properly.

So I guess the "Master" - "Slave" thing isn't an issue.
Because this was once a Master drive in a laptop.
It seems like setting it up in a PC's IDE cable is making the drive a
Slave drive rather than another Master.

Sorry, I just have no clue what to do or what's going on, problemwise.




Ian Singer wrote:
> rantr13@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > The weird thing is those adapter plugs come with 40 pins when laptop
> > female IDE cables have one of the pins in the middle blocked. PC's
> > block one of the pins in the middle probably to insure that it is being
> > put on correctly since it doesn't use that pin. So basically, you have
> > to break the middle pin off of the adapter. Neither PC's or laptop's
> > use them. I looked at the laptop drive and it has no middle pin
> > either.
> >
> > So if you have a 40 pin adapter, it isn't able to be fit into your PC's
> > IDE cable until the middle pin s broken off. Since the laptop has the
> > pin missing anyway, it evidently is not needed.
> >
>
> I have an adapter here that is a circuit board with a female laptop IDE
> adapter on one side, and a male PC IDE adapter on the other side. The PC
> side has one pin missing. Yes you have to make sure that the laptop
> drive is not plugged in upside down so pin 1 on the laptop drive has to
> go on the end closest to the power adapter. Not sure what you are
> talking about, but did you have the drive reversed?
>
> Ian Singer
>
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>
>
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