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Hard Drive Password Problems groupware 02-03-2007
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Posted by Barry Watzman on February 4, 2007, 12:48 pm
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 Vanguard's posts have been totally "out to lunch" on this entire subject
and thread.

Posted by Rod Speed on February 4, 2007, 1:12 pm
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> Vanguard's posts have been totally "out to lunch" on this entire subject and
thread.

They have indeed.



Posted by Vanguard on February 4, 2007, 10:34 pm
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>
>
>> Unfortunately it costs to get copies of the ATA specs from
>> http://www.t13.org/
>
> The drafts are readily available for free and that detail didnt
> change.

They are? Got a URL for the free copy of the full specs for all ATA
revisions? What I see at
http://www.t13.org/Standards/Default.aspx?DocumentType=3&DocumentStage=2
is a list (but no links for them) and the comment "Copies of published
standards may be purchased from: ANSI, ...". Where are the free copies
then? When I Google around looking for ATA specs, I end up following
links that take me back to t13.org and they redirect you to ANSI where
they charge for them ($30 apiece for each revision of the AT Attachment
spec, and ATA-7 has 3 volume where each is $30 or all 3 for $80).

> Yep, and it says absolutely NOTHING about any ATA spec encryption.

Sorry, meant ATA spec hard drive password locking. I'm sure the spec
calls it something else. According to
http://www.heise.de/ct/english/05/08/172/, it's called "Security Feature
Set". It is part of the ATA spec.


Posted by Rod Speed on February 4, 2007, 11:07 pm
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> Rod Speed wrote

>>> Unfortunately it costs to get copies of the ATA specs from
http://www.t13.org/

>> The drafts are readily available for free and that detail didnt change.

> They are?

Yep.

> Got a URL for the free copy of the full specs for all ATA revisions?

I never said anything about all ATA revisions.

> What I see at
> http://www.t13.org/Standards/Default.aspx?DocumentType=3&DocumentStage=2
> is a list (but no links for them) and the comment "Copies of published
standards may be purchased
> from: ANSI, ...". Where are the free copies then?

http://www.t13.org/Documents/Default.aspx?DocumentType=4&DocumentStage=2
http://www.t13.org/Documents/Default.aspx?DocumentType=4&DocumentStage=1

> When I Google around looking for ATA specs, I end up following links that take
me back to t13.org
> and they redirect you to ANSI where they charge for them ($30 apiece for each
revision of the AT
> Attachment spec, and ATA-7 has 3 volume where each is $30 or all 3 for $80).

You need to work on your google skills
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=ATA%2FATAPI+draft
produces those drafts right at the top.

>> Yep, and it says absolutely NOTHING about any ATA spec encryption.

> Sorry, meant ATA spec hard drive password locking. I'm sure the spec calls it
something else.
> According to
> http://www.heise.de/ct/english/05/08/172/, it's called "Security Feature Set".
It is part of the
> ATA spec.

Pity it includes nothing about drive encryption.



Posted by Vanguard on February 5, 2007, 11:42 pm
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>> Rod Speed wrote
>
>>>> Unfortunately it costs to get copies of the ATA specs from
>>>> http://www.t13.org/
>
>>> The drafts are readily available for free and that detail didnt
>>> change.
>
>> They are?
>
> Yep.
>
>> Got a URL for the free copy of the full specs for all ATA revisions?
>
> I never said anything about all ATA revisions.
>
>> What I see at
>> http://www.t13.org/Standards/Default.aspx?DocumentType=3&DocumentStage=2
>> is a list (but no links for them) and the comment "Copies of
>> published standards may be purchased from: ANSI, ...". Where are the
>> free copies then?
>
> http://www.t13.org/Documents/Default.aspx?DocumentType=4&DocumentStage=2
> http://www.t13.org/Documents/Default.aspx?DocumentType=4&DocumentStage=1

I was asking about the actual ratified and approved specifications, not
drafts of proposals for those specs. I don't believe "drafts" are the
actual standard. I had asked about getting the standards spec. I
didn't realizer you were pointing at a list that contained some drafts
that proposed those specs. Some entries are just 2-page descriptions or
placeholders, hardly what would be called a standard specification.
Some are docs containing corrections, so hardly a specification. Some
are just entries in the table listing but with no link to an actual doc.
The specs still cost money.



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