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Hacker John Parker 10-11-2007
|--> Re: Hacker Mathieu CHATEAU10-11-2007
|--> Re: Hacker jwgoerlich10-11-2007
  ---> Re: Hacker Bernard Cheah [...10-11-2007
  |   |--> Re: Hacker Mathieu CHATEAU10-12-2007
  |   `--> Re: Hacker Bernard Cheah [...10-12-2007
  | ---> Re: Hacker Bernard Cheah [...10-14-2007
  |   |--> Re: Hacker Mathieu CHATEAU10-14-2007
  `--> Re: Hacker Bernard Cheah [...10-16-2007
Posted by Mathieu CHATEAU on October 14, 2007, 6:48 am
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unfortunetly, that's a common downside with MS products.
People tends to think it's "click & play", while they will read doc for
others products, as they don't have associated the "click & play" with these
products, or they are in a way you can't do "click & play" with them.

I am sure MS is aware of this downside, as with Exchange 2007 or Windows
2008 core edition, you have to learn powershell and commands before starting
to change things.

just my 2 cents,

--
Cordialement,
Mathieu CHATEAU
English blog: http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com
French blog: http://www.lotp.fr


> yes - more IIS FTP are subjected for break in, but that's NOT because of
> the product.
> the issue is the element between the monitor and the chair.
>
> anything product without proper configuration is subjected to attacks as
> well.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Bernard Cheah
> http://www.iis.net/
> http://msmvps.com/blogs/bernard/
>
>
>> qbernard@hotmail.com.discuss says...
>>> bottom line is not the product, but rather how you deploy and configure
>>> it.
>>
>> Actually, the problem is that after all of these years, that even
>> seasoned IT types misconfigure FTP as well as other services all the
>> time which leads to compromising the server. Few people misconfigure
>> FileZilla FTP and even fewer misconfigured FileZilla servers are used to
>> compromise the OS/Server.
>>
>> I've seen hundreds of compromised Windows boxes because of Windows FTP,
>> not a single compromised FileZilla FTP server.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Leythos
>> - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
>> - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
>> drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
>> spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
>
>


Posted by Leythos on October 15, 2007, 7:34 am
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qbernard@hotmail.com.discuss says...
> yes - more IIS FTP are subjected for break in, but that's NOT because of the
> product.
> the issue is the element between the monitor and the chair.

While I somewhat agree with your post, there are MANY people/bots
targeting MS FTP, and all it takes is a simple exploit to be found for
the "element between the monitor and the chair" to be rendered useless.

With the types of 'attempts' that I see daily on our FTP servers (and
clients), they are all directed at MS exploits and security holes.

> anything product without proper configuration is subjected to attacks as
> well.

Yes, but, the real difference is that MS FTP by default is easy to hack
and has always been that way. Most third party Public Facing services
are not defaulted that way.

Yes, it's completely true that config makes all the difference, but, to
default to open vs secure is the mistake that is common in MS products.

I would love it if something like Vista (and Server 2008) abandoned the
idea that it has to be compatible with older versions/software and was
completely designed to be secure from the starting install.

--

Leythos
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

Posted by Bernard Cheah [MVP] on October 16, 2007, 1:05 am
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To be more specific - IIS 4.0 - barely a product, IIS 5 - everything on by
default (zero trustworthy computing), IIS 6 - lessons learned (decent web
server), IIS 7 - best release ever (true application host).

and 5 is history, 6 is current, 7 and forward is the future.

and OP's is using w2k3 - nothing is ON by default, even with default
installation - no exploits so far on IIS FTP.

--
Regards,
Bernard Cheah
http://www.iis.net/
http://msmvps.com/blogs/bernard/


> qbernard@hotmail.com.discuss says...
>> yes - more IIS FTP are subjected for break in, but that's NOT because of
>> the
>> product.
>> the issue is the element between the monitor and the chair.
>
> While I somewhat agree with your post, there are MANY people/bots
> targeting MS FTP, and all it takes is a simple exploit to be found for
> the "element between the monitor and the chair" to be rendered useless.
>
> With the types of 'attempts' that I see daily on our FTP servers (and
> clients), they are all directed at MS exploits and security holes.
>
>> anything product without proper configuration is subjected to attacks as
>> well.
>
> Yes, but, the real difference is that MS FTP by default is easy to hack
> and has always been that way. Most third party Public Facing services
> are not defaulted that way.
>
> Yes, it's completely true that config makes all the difference, but, to
> default to open vs secure is the mistake that is common in MS products.
>
> I would love it if something like Vista (and Server 2008) abandoned the
> idea that it has to be compatible with older versions/software and was
> completely designed to be secure from the starting install.
>
> --
>
> Leythos
> - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
> - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
> drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
> spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)



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