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Goldstar GS620 386sx/20 Sallyanne 05-14-2008
Posted by Sallyanne on May 14, 2008, 10:02 pm
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Hi Bill,


> Oh man! I love these kind of projects


So do I ... But if only I had more time to do them all! :-(

>(been into computers since '74 in
> the military)!


I started with unix on a PDP 11 and a Vax II in 1981 with Pascal and
Fortran - on printer terminals and before Pascal even had string
types! I later bought an Exidy Sorcerer Mark II, which I still have,
but I then left computers for almost a decade, until I bought this
notebook for work.

>I tried to search on Google and I found nothing except
> battery replacements. This laptop can use a CGA or a VGA monitor? Does
> it have 4MB onboard and a 16MB PCMCIA card?


Colour VGA (B/W LED + VGA port), 4MB, no FPU (although a slot is
present and easily accessible) and no PCMCIA, although it could be
fitted with an internal modem. It had just been released when I bought
it at a cost of about AU$2500.00 in 1991.

I found out about the lack of info myself, that's why I'm approaching
the forums. However, I'm amazed they're still making batteries for
them. Just goes to show how much of a workhorse they really were.
Despite coming with me on at least 200000km of flight between
Australia and Europe (and one trip to Alaska), mine actually almost
looks the same as it did the day it left the store. No scratch marks,
discolouration or wear and tear - not even on the keyboard, despite
periods of very intensive use. I can't say the same for my aging IBM
thinkpads 600 and 600E with flaking skins.
>
> Usually I find buying a working old same model computer easier to use to
> fix an older computer (especially true of laptops). Although I can't
> even find a broken one anyway on the net.


Neither can I, although the Zenith Mastersport 386sx is identical.
Still, I don't need to. I have some parts which may fit this unit. In
any case, apart from the dead backlight and harddrive, the PC works
just fine. I will post photos ASAP. In the event that I can't use my
spare HD I have a feeling that I can interface (with some prodding) a
spare IDE 2GD Orb drive, which just happens to be both the same size
and colour as the original floppy drive (by removing both the floppy
and HD the power supply should cope well). When I finally settled down
to home life, in the interim weeks before I purchased a new Pentium
class PC back in 97, I used this notebook like a mini PC: external
keyboard, colour VGA monitor and Parallel LS120 Superdrive from which
I booted into DOS, Geoworks Ensemble and Win 3.1. It worked well
enough, but then, not if you're used to a Quad Core 4 GHz Pentium with
4GB of ram :-).


>I sure wish this was my
> project. I love these kinds of things to do. :-)
>


NO! Its mine and You can't have it ! ;-)

> --
> Bill

Sallyanne

Posted by BillW50 on May 15, 2008, 2:40 pm
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Sallyanne typed on Wed, 14 May 2008 19:02:15 -0700 (PDT):
> Hi Bill,
>
>> Oh man! I love these kind of projects
>
> So do I ... But if only I had more time to do them all! :-(

:-)

>> (been into computers since '74 in
>> the military)!
>
> I started with unix on a PDP 11 and a Vax II in 1981 with Pascal and
> Fortran - on printer terminals and before Pascal even had string
> types! I later bought an Exidy Sorcerer Mark II, which I still have,
> but I then left computers for almost a decade, until I bought this
> notebook for work.

Oh that was a great time to get into computers.

>> I tried to search on Google and I found nothing except
>> battery replacements. This laptop can use a CGA or a VGA monitor?
>> Does it have 4MB onboard and a 16MB PCMCIA card?
>
> Colour VGA (B/W LED + VGA port), 4MB, no FPU (although a slot is
> present and easily accessible) and no PCMCIA, although it could be
> fitted with an internal modem. It had just been released when I bought
> it at a cost of about AU$2500.00 in 1991.

Wow! That was a lot better than what I was using in '91. As I was still
using my Sharp PC-4501 V20 (aka 80188 compatible). I had DOS and GEOS
Ensemble running on it. The LCD was monochrome (no backlight) and I
bought a CGA color card for it to use with a CGA monitor. I got it back
in '89. No audio except for PC beeps. LOL And it still works too.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sharp-PC-4501-vintage-laptop-circa-1987_W0QQitemZ220234784260QQihZ012QQcategoryZ4193QQcmdZViewItem

Wow I forgot how ugly those PC-4501 are. LOL

> I found out about the lack of info myself, that's why I'm approaching
> the forums. However, I'm amazed they're still making batteries for
> them. Just goes to show how much of a workhorse they really were.
> Despite coming with me on at least 200000km of flight between
> Australia and Europe (and one trip to Alaska), mine actually almost
> looks the same as it did the day it left the store. No scratch marks,
> discolouration or wear and tear - not even on the keyboard, despite
> periods of very intensive use. I can't say the same for my aging IBM
> thinkpads 600 and 600E with flaking skins.

I am in *love* with your laptop. :-)

>> Usually I find buying a working old same model computer easier to
>> use to fix an older computer (especially true of laptops). Although
>> I can't even find a broken one anyway on the net.
>
> Neither can I, although the Zenith Mastersport 386sx is identical.
> Still, I don't need to. I have some parts which may fit this unit. In
> any case, apart from the dead backlight and harddrive, the PC works
> just fine. I will post photos ASAP. In the event that I can't use my
> spare HD I have a feeling that I can interface (with some prodding) a
> spare IDE 2GD Orb drive, which just happens to be both the same size
> and colour as the original floppy drive (by removing both the floppy
> and HD the power supply should cope well). When I finally settled down
> to home life, in the interim weeks before I purchased a new Pentium
> class PC back in 97, I used this notebook like a mini PC: external
> keyboard, colour VGA monitor and Parallel LS120 Superdrive from which
> I booted into DOS, Geoworks Ensemble and Win 3.1. It worked well
> enough, but then, not if you're used to a Quad Core 4 GHz Pentium with
> 4GB of ram :-).

I am thinking that this laptop can't read anything more than 512MB on a
HD without a MBR patch. There might be a BIOS update, but where to find
one if it exists. Plus computers around this era usually wasn't
updatable without changing the ROM.

>> I sure wish this was my
>> project. I love these kinds of things to do. :-)
>
> NO! Its mine and You can't have it ! ;-)

LOL I guess I have to find my own. :-(

--
Bill


Posted by Sallyanne on May 15, 2008, 11:07 pm
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>
> > I started with unix on a PDP 11 and a Vax II in 1981 ... [snip] ...
>
> Oh that was a great time to get into computers.

Bill, it was an **innocent** time for computing. Besides, at the time
(early 80's) we were just a bunch of teenagers playing with million
dollar toys!

>
> Wow! That was a lot better than what I was using in '91. As I was still
> using my Sharp PC-4501 V20 ...[snip]...

Don't feel to bad about that, mine was an impulse purchase on my way
through Singapore, where I got it duty free and at a much reduced
price compared to elswhere.

>
> Wow I forgot how ugly those PC-4501 are. LOL
>

Now, don't be mean, they have feelings!

>
> I am in *love* with your laptop. :-)
>
>

... Get over it ! ... The answer is still no !;-)

[snip]
>
> I am thinking that this laptop can't read anything more than 512MB on a
> HD without a MBR patch. There might be a BIOS update, but where to find
> one if it exists. Plus computers around this era usually wasn't
> updatable without changing the ROM.
>

[snip]

> Bill

I agree with you here. I'm not sure what limitations that old BIOS may
have. In any case, I won't even consider patching it, too risky even
if it can be done, which I doubt. So I'm more inclined to patch MBR /
translate the BIOS by providing fake geometry etc/disk manager,
whatever is feasible, but I'll cross that bridge when I figure out how
to open the silly thing. I'm just floating some whimsical ideas around
in my head: internal LS120, IDE CF adaptor, whatever works ... Let's
just say that this project falls into the *just because I can*
category :-)

Sallyanne

Posted by G.G.Willikers on May 16, 2008, 1:10 pm
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BillW50 wrote:
> In
> Sallyanne typed on Wed, 14 May 2008 19:02:15 -0700 (PDT):
>> Hi Bill,
>>
>>> Oh man! I love these kind of projects
>>
>> So do I ... But if only I had more time to do them all! :-(
>
> :-)
>
>>> (been into computers since '74 in
>>> the military)!
>>
>> I started with unix on a PDP 11 and a Vax II in 1981 with Pascal and
>> Fortran - on printer terminals and before Pascal even had string
>> types! I later bought an Exidy Sorcerer Mark II, which I still have,
>> but I then left computers for almost a decade, until I bought this
>> notebook for work.
>
> Oh that was a great time to get into computers.
>
>>> I tried to search on Google and I found nothing except
>>> battery replacements. This laptop can use a CGA or a VGA monitor?
>>> Does it have 4MB onboard and a 16MB PCMCIA card?
>>
>> Colour VGA (B/W LED + VGA port), 4MB, no FPU (although a slot is
>> present and easily accessible) and no PCMCIA, although it could be
>> fitted with an internal modem. It had just been released when I bought
>> it at a cost of about AU$2500.00 in 1991.
>
> Wow! That was a lot better than what I was using in '91. As I was still
> using my Sharp PC-4501 V20 (aka 80188 compatible). I had DOS and GEOS
> Ensemble running on it. The LCD was monochrome (no backlight) and I
> bought a CGA color card for it to use with a CGA monitor. I got it back
> in '89. No audio except for PC beeps. LOL And it still works too.
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/Sharp-PC-4501-vintage-laptop-circa-1987_W0QQitemZ220234784260QQihZ012QQcategoryZ4193QQcmdZViewItem
>
>
> Wow I forgot how ugly those PC-4501 are. LOL
>
>> I found out about the lack of info myself, that's why I'm approaching
>> the forums. However, I'm amazed they're still making batteries for
>> them. Just goes to show how much of a workhorse they really were.
>> Despite coming with me on at least 200000km of flight between
>> Australia and Europe (and one trip to Alaska), mine actually almost
>> looks the same as it did the day it left the store. No scratch marks,
>> discolouration or wear and tear - not even on the keyboard, despite
>> periods of very intensive use. I can't say the same for my aging IBM
>> thinkpads 600 and 600E with flaking skins.
>
> I am in *love* with your laptop. :-)
>
>>> Usually I find buying a working old same model computer easier to
>>> use to fix an older computer (especially true of laptops). Although
>>> I can't even find a broken one anyway on the net.
>>
>> Neither can I, although the Zenith Mastersport 386sx is identical.
>> Still, I don't need to. I have some parts which may fit this unit. In
>> any case, apart from the dead backlight and harddrive, the PC works
>> just fine. I will post photos ASAP. In the event that I can't use my
>> spare HD I have a feeling that I can interface (with some prodding) a
>> spare IDE 2GD Orb drive, which just happens to be both the same size
>> and colour as the original floppy drive (by removing both the floppy
>> and HD the power supply should cope well). When I finally settled down
>> to home life, in the interim weeks before I purchased a new Pentium
>> class PC back in 97, I used this notebook like a mini PC: external
>> keyboard, colour VGA monitor and Parallel LS120 Superdrive from which
>> I booted into DOS, Geoworks Ensemble and Win 3.1. It worked well
>> enough, but then, not if you're used to a Quad Core 4 GHz Pentium with
>> 4GB of ram :-).
>
> I am thinking that this laptop can't read anything more than 512MB on a
> HD without a MBR patch. There might be a BIOS update, but where to find
> one if it exists. Plus computers around this era usually wasn't
> updatable without changing the ROM.
>
>>> I sure wish this was my
>>> project. I love these kinds of things to do. :-)
>>
>> NO! Its mine and You can't have it ! ;-)
>
> LOL I guess I have to find my own. :-(
>
Believe it or not, I see working models like this quite often in our
recycling shop. Like you guys, the time to putz with them is very
limited. I have set aside some of the more ancient units, that powered
up, in decent shape, but they are currently in storage.

In the next month or two I may be getting that kind of stuff up on ebay.
I will definitely let you all know.

I kinda plan on specializing in laptop spare parts and cater to repair
guys so they can actually make a few bucks on the turn around.

Posted by sallyanne on May 19, 2008, 10:25 pm
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After Michael's advice I moved away from Google and now have an account
with *How to fix computers*, so I hope this works well.

Anyway, I haven't had a chance to get those photos onilne yet. I do
have a life, really! But I would like to request some help in tracking
down a service manual even for the Zenith Mastersport 386sx, which seems
to be better represented online (one was offered on ebay this year).

G.G., since you deal with these computers, have you come across a PDF
anywhere?

regards
Sallyanne




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