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Frameset look and behavior problem in Firefox... Help Please! Giggle Girl 02-22-2007
Posted by Giggle Girl on February 22, 2007, 1:33 pm
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Hello there, :)
I need a frameset that will have the same look and behavior in Firefox
1.5+ as it does in IE 6+. Here is a URL for it:

http://66.51.164.93/fs/default.htm

In IE, the "seam" between the three frames is blue, 4 or 5 pixels
wide, and -- most importantly! -- draggable! It is great -- in IE,
that is. Is it possible to have this same look and behavior in
Firefox?

Here is the code for the frameset:

<frameset name="frameset_0" id="frameset_0" rows="309,*"
framespacing="3" border="0" frameborder="1" bordercolor="#6889BF"><!--
old #879CBF, new #6889BF -->

<frameset name="frameset_1" id="frameset_1" cols="25%,75%"
framespacing="3" border="0" frameborder="1" bordercolor="#6889BF">
<frame name="frame_1" id="frame_1" SRC="./_TEMP_frame.htm"
border="0" scrolling="no" resize frameborder="0">
<frame name="frame_2" id="frame_2" SRC="./_TEMP_frame.htm"
border="0" scrolling="no" resize frameborder="0">
</frameset>
<frame name="frame_2" id="frame_2" SRC="./_TEMP_frame.htm" border="0"
scrolling="no" resize frameborder="0">
</frameset>

Thanks for you help,
Giggle Girl


Posted by Andy Dingley on February 26, 2007, 12:21 pm
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> I need a frameset that will have the same look and behavior in Firefox

Validate it. Validate the HTML, validate the CSS.

It might work, it might not. But if it's hard to fix valid code, then
it's even harder to fix invalid code, so do it anyway. There is no
reason not to, lots of reasons to do so.


Posted by Giggle Girl on February 26, 2007, 1:28 pm
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>
> > I need a frameset that will have the same look and behavior in Firefox
>
> Validate it. Validate the HTML, validate the CSS.
>
> It might work, it might not. But if it's hard to fix valid code, then
> it's even harder to fix invalid code, so do it anyway. There is no
> reason not to, lots of reasons to do so.

I ran code in the URL through a Validator that is a plugin called
"HTML Validator" in Firefox. Bseides the duplicate ID error, it gave
me only 16 warnings, every one of which was a "Using proprietary IE
attribute". Again, if I did NOT use the IE proprietary attributes, it
would not be possible for me to say "Go to this URL and view it in
IE. _THAT_ is how I want it to look/behave in Firefox. Can you help
me?"

You and "dorayme" don't seem to understand this, yet I feel I cannot
be more clear. Please just ignore this thread. :)

Again, thanks go to Jonathan N. Little who offered something of value
instead of trying to shout me down with some useless mantra. (I have
seen enough threads here to know "Run it through a validator" is the
first line of defense for people that ultimately have the least advice
to offer.)

-- Ann (Still the Giggle Girl)


Posted by John Hosking on February 26, 2007, 3:29 pm
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Giggle Girl wrote:
>
> You and "dorayme" don't seem to understand this, yet I feel I cannot
> be more clear. Please just ignore this thread. :)

Ann,

You have billed your situation as a "problem in Firefox," so people
think you mean Firefox isn't working the way it's supposed to (or, as is
more usually the case, the way you expect or hope).

What you really want (and probably should have asked for) is to
"Duplicate proprietary IE frameset behavior in FF."

Dorayme's and Andy's suggestions to validate are surely their way of
pointing out that you code won't likely work with a standards-compliant
browser, so that's probably part or all of your problem. You know it was
non-standard but we didn't know you knew. (Still, having multiple
duplicate IDs can't be helping you any. And you haven't fixed that yet.)

I hope this is helpful or at least, um, enlightening. I regret that I do
not know the technical answer to your (actual) questions. I must confess
a certain lack of interest in achieving this particular task. But good luck.

--
John

Posted by Jonathan N. Little on February 26, 2007, 3:53 pm
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Giggle Girl wrote:
>>
>>> I need a frameset that will have the same look and behavior in Firefox
>> Validate it. Validate the HTML, validate the CSS.
>>
>> It might work, it might not. But if it's hard to fix valid code, then
>> it's even harder to fix invalid code, so do it anyway. There is no
>> reason not to, lots of reasons to do so.
>
> I ran code in the URL through a Validator that is a plugin called
> "HTML Validator" in Firefox. Bseides the duplicate ID error, it gave
> me only 16 warnings, every one of which was a "Using proprietary IE
> attribute". Again, if I did NOT use the IE proprietary attributes, it
> would not be possible for me to say "Go to this URL and view it in
> IE. _THAT_ is how I want it to look/behave in Firefox. Can you help
> me?"
>
> You and "dorayme" don't seem to understand this, yet I feel I cannot
> be more clear. Please just ignore this thread. :)
>
> Again, thanks go to Jonathan N. Little who offered something of value
> instead of trying to shout me down with some useless mantra. (I have
> seen enough threads here to know "Run it through a validator" is the
> first line of defense for people that ultimately have the least advice
> to offer.)

I was not condoning what you are trying to do, just pointed out an
inconsistency in your markup. You will never get Firefox to "behave"
like IE is this manner because IE attributes are proprietary to
Microsoft just as styling the chrome elements such as scrollbars!

--
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

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