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Posted by dorayme on April 22, 2008, 10:45 pm
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> dorayme wrote:
> >
> >> Again with my favorite analogy,
> >> why would a lumberjack cling to his ax after the development of the
> >> chainsaw?
> >
> > Because it is easy to carry and much easier to sharpen and is much less
> > dangerous. Any other analogies?
> >
>
> Obviously you've never chopped down a tree with an ax.

This is not at all obvious. What is obvious is that you have never been
to the NSW Royal Easter Show to see what a true blue can do with an axe
and fast!

Perhaps you have never climbed a tree to bring down a branch as thick as
a tree and taken up an axe or a simple bow saw for the job because these
are much easier and lighter and safer! A good bow saw cutting a branch
is easier than is supposed, the weight of the branch opening up the cut
nicely.

The development of the chain saw does not preclude the use of simpler or
older tools.

--
dorayme

Posted by Ed Mullen on April 23, 2008, 12:39 am
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dorayme wrote:
>
>> dorayme wrote:
>>>
>>>> Again with my favorite analogy,
>>>> why would a lumberjack cling to his ax after the development of the
>>>> chainsaw?
>>> Because it is easy to carry and much easier to sharpen and is much less
>>> dangerous. Any other analogies?
>>>
>> Obviously you've never chopped down a tree with an ax.
>
> This is not at all obvious. What is obvious is that you have never been
> to the NSW Royal Easter Show to see what a true blue can do with an axe
> and fast!

Ask that competition performer to keep that up all day long like that.
He can't. But he could with a chain saw. Ever hear the old folk song
"John Henry?"

> Perhaps you have never climbed a tree to bring down a branch as thick as
> a tree and taken up an axe or a simple bow saw for the job because these
> are much easier and lighter and safer! A good bow saw cutting a branch
> is easier than is supposed, the weight of the branch opening up the cut
> nicely.

Nonsense. I have. Give me the chain saw every time. I'll do it faster
and easier.

> The development of the chain saw does not preclude the use of simpler or
> older tools.

No, it does not. The choice of tools, however, has nothing to do with
the existence of the tools. you are confusing, or deliberately
obfuscating, the differences.

Normally I ignore your faults in logic because you are being somehow
charming or amusing. Don't abuse the leeway you're being afforded.

--
Ed Mullen
http://edmullen.net
How good bad music and bad reasons sound when we march against an enemy.
- Friedrich Nietzsche

Posted by Chris Morris on April 23, 2008, 10:29 am
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> Oh and additionally, now that server-side is so cheap, developed, and
> now ubiquitous, server-side inclusion beats frames in efficiency and
> function in the same manner...there is no reason in my opinion to ever
> use frames unless your are stuck with hosting that doesn't even offer
> server-side, (but even that is a lame excuse with so many free servers
> with php out there).

That said, if you're only doing a bit of templating to replace frames,
an offline preprocessor is probably a better way to make the site. PHP
would be like using a chainsaw to chop through a twig, and about as
safe.

--
Chris

Posted by Jonathan N. Little on April 23, 2008, 10:40 am
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Chris Morris wrote:
>> Oh and additionally, now that server-side is so cheap, developed, and
>> now ubiquitous, server-side inclusion beats frames in efficiency and
>> function in the same manner...there is no reason in my opinion to ever
>> use frames unless your are stuck with hosting that doesn't even offer
>> server-side, (but even that is a lame excuse with so many free servers
>> with php out there).
>
> That said, if you're only doing a bit of templating to replace frames,
> an offline preprocessor is probably a better way to make the site. PHP
> would be like using a chainsaw to chop through a twig, and about as
> safe.
>

If we have a 1/2 dozen pages maybe, but every time you make a change an
edit your have to re-preprocess and upload the entire site gets old
really fast.

<html>
<head>...</head>
<body>
<?php
include_once('includes/banner.inc.php');
include_once('includes/nav.inc.php');
?>

... rest of page ...

<?php include_once('includes/footer.inc.php'); ?>
</body>
</html>

--
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

Posted by Bergamot on April 23, 2008, 2:24 pm
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Jonathan N. Little wrote:
> Chris Morris wrote:
>>
>> That said, if you're only doing a bit of templating to replace frames,
>> an offline preprocessor is probably a better way to make the site.
>
> If we have a 1/2 dozen pages maybe, but every time you make a change an
> edit your have to re-preprocess and upload the entire site

FWIW, I've been using a preprocessor for years. It's great for small
sites that only get periodic content changes. You only need to
re-preprocess everything if you make a change to one of the common
libraries, like the navbar. Changing text on a single page only needs
that one page redone.

I wouldn't recommend a preprocessor for a large site, but it's great for
smaller ones.

> <body>
> <?php
> include_once('includes/banner.inc.php');
> include_once('includes/nav.inc.php');
> ?>
>
> ... rest of page ...
>
> <?php include_once('includes/footer.inc.php'); ?>
> </body>

That's not really any different from my preprocessor includes, except
they're not php.

--
Berg

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