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Posted by Neredbojias on April 7, 2006, 2:36 pm
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declaimed:
>> I'm just not using certain websites
>
> You go, girl! Stick it to the man.
>
> ----
>
> Yucky,
> Yukky.
Uh oh - ego trip. I seem to notice you object to the same attributes most
objectionable in yourself. Wake up!
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Neredbojias
Infinity can have limits.
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Posted by Arne on April 7, 2006, 12:48 pm
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Once upon a time *Yukky Korpulent* wrote:
> You got it half right. You can't comprehend the point.
>
> I hate to be the one to bring the news to you, but beyond this little
> group of circle-jerking Jukka stooges who cling to his outdated dictums
> about what "ought" to be done, lies a world that has somehow managed to
> evolve and move on without them. We don't mean to make you irrelevant,
> but that's just the way it is. Sorry.
>
> Come explore it, you might like what you see. Turn on your javascript
> for an even better experience.
Who?
*Read about Ga-Ga Google Groups and Netiquette*
http://cfaj.freeshell.org/google/
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/Arne
"I travel cross the country and talked to the most competent persons,
and I can assure you that the computer is a fashion craze that will not
stand the whole year.
(Editor for business literature, Prentice Hall, 1957)
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Posted by Daniel Kaplan on April 6, 2006, 4:11 pm
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> The ones that don't do anything if I have Javascript turned off?
Ok, I obviosuly started something here, and really, I am sorry.
But on the realistic side of things, there are times when a button is just a
button, IMHO. A button can be used as choices "Add Another" or "Done".
Especially if your web site is behaving more like an application in certain
areas. If you talk to "just plain users" (no one who would be posting in
these newsgroups) very few of them would be able to say ... Oh well a check
box shoudl just represent this, a link is only for that, etc. etc.
And they'll still navigate through a website that violate many of these
rules without a second's hesitation.
As for Yukky's comment:
>>Feel free to turn it off, sport. Turn off your monitor for a real treat.
Technically he's right, but for now, since I don't have the option (money)
of creating a website that satisfies every possible browser option (like HP
does) I don't want to rely on Javascript! One day I hope to have the funds
to really make the website so every single proabable browser feature is
covered, and covered in case it's turned off!
Until then, I have to make due (or is it do), and really, buttons for what
I'm doing just look nicer, and have gotten more postive feedback in testing
to an audience that didn't know what the website was about.
So at the risk of making it sound like I am trying to egg on a flame war
(please believe me, that is not my intention) can I narrow my question (just
to CMA) down to this:
Is there anything "technically" wrong with the form below?
<FORM name="nulltry" enctype="multipart/form-data"
action="http://www.mysite.com/cgi-bin/enter_one.pl" method="POST">
<INPUT type="hidden" name="notused" value="1">
<INPUT type="submit" value=" Enter Another ">
</form>
Many thanks again, to "everyone", for all their input.
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Posted by Yukky Korpulent on April 6, 2006, 5:02 pm
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Daniel,
Nothing, technically, is "wrong" with your approach. You might even be
able to "fix" it easier by supplying a name attribute to your submit
INPUT, e.g. <INPUT type=submit name=dummy value="Enter Another"> My
recommendation against it is purely from an aesthetic standpoint in
both web design and usability. You likely already know, but where you
often see such buttons as "Save and Add Another" or "Detail" when they
are inside a FORM that is collecting input, e.g.
<form action="blah" method="post">
<input type="submit" name="action" value="Save">
<input type="submit" name="action" value="Save and Add Another">
<input type="submit" name="action" value="Detail">
... followed by input fields to gather data ...
</form>
where the appropriate response may be determined server-side from the
submitted value of "action." But it seems to me (and you're welcome to
disagree) that having a FORM for the sole purpose of making a button
act like a link is jumping thru some hoops unnecessarily. You never
run across that on the web, while you DO run across styled anchors all
the time. IMHO it's a better approach to make your web app act more
like a web app than a client app. My final point is that I'm not
trying to push javascript on you at all (it's not needed at all for
styled anchors, I don't know if that got lost in my Jukka rant.)
Good luck,
YK
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Posted by Harlan Messinger on April 6, 2006, 4:51 pm
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Daniel Kaplan wrote:
> Hey All,
>
> In some of my pages I use a quick form to give navigational button choices,
> rather than links. One of them is this:
>
> <FORM name="nulltry" enctype="multipart/form-data"
> action="http://www.mysite.com/cgi-bin/enter_one.pl" method="POST">
> <INPUT type="submit" value=" Enter Another ">
> </form>
>
> The hiccup that Firefox gives me, yet IE does not is:
>
> *Malformed multipart POST: data truncated
> *Compilation failed in require at enter_one.pl line 6.
> *BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at enter_one line 6.
>
> So the quick fix was to add this line to my form:
>
> <INPUT type="hidden" name="notused" value="1">
>
> and the problem goes away.
My first reaction is that the problem was caused by the lack of a name
attribute on the Submit button.
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