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Does caps in table cause none wrapping trondhuso 05-02-2008
Posted by trondhuso on May 2, 2008, 3:40 am
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Hi,

I have a solution that - at time of writing - has to use tables to
render a list of database-results. My challenge though is that we have
used iframes and such to render the different lists on this page, and
now - for some reason - the table has become to wide.

I am looking at the code and trying to change width using css, but
without much luck. I see that in some of the data there are Caps-only
text, and I am now wondering if this caps-only could be the reason for
why the text isn't wrapping when I'm schrinking the table width.

Please do not suggest using divs and css at this moment. I know how to
do that, just that at this moment I have to work with the code that is
presented to me and I don't have the time to fix not using tables.

All I want to know at this moment is if caps is causing problems when
rendering the tables nested of course...

best
Trond

Posted by Jukka K. Korpela on May 2, 2008, 4:02 am
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Scripsit trondhuso:

> I have a solution that - at time of writing - has to use tables to
> render a list of database-results.

A table is usually the _adequate_ way to present database results,
especially if the results consist of set of records, each divided into
items (fields) in the same way. It would be most natural to present this
as an HTML table structure, with columns corresponding to the items.

So I don't quite understand the "has to" part.

> My challenge though is that we have
> used iframes and such to render the different lists on this page, and
> now - for some reason - the table has become to wide.

Using iframes is questionable, though not always very wrong. If you had
posted a URL, we might be able to tell whether iframes are an essential
part of your problem.

> I am looking at the code and trying to change width using css, but
> without much luck.

The mistake is in column 42, but don't quite see which line.

(Hint to irony-challenged: if you fail to post a URL, don't expect
useful advice.)

> I see that in some of the data there are Caps-only
> text, and I am now wondering if this caps-only could be the reason for
> why the text isn't wrapping when I'm schrinking the table width.

It isn't. But caps-only is generally bad for other reasons. It's less
legible, and it MAKES YOU LOOK CHILDISH OR WORSE, LIKE A LAWYER WHO
CANNOT STOP SHOUTING AND REGARDS THAT AS PROFESSIONAL AND LEGALLY
BINDING.

> Please do not suggest using divs and css at this moment.

Why would we? You seem to have the weird idea that tables are bad.

> I know how to do that,

I very much doubt that.

> All I want to know at this moment is if caps is causing problems when
> rendering the tables nested of course...

Then you cannot be helped. If you don't want to know the solution to
your real problem, it would be pointless to offer some solutions to some
non-problems that you don't actually describe.

Tables nested? Well there you surely have a problem.

--
Jukka K. Korpela ("Yucca")
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/


Posted by trondhuso on May 2, 2008, 6:04 am
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> Scripsit trondhuso:
>
> > I have a solution that - at time of writing - has to use tables to
> > render a list of database-results.
>
> A table is usually the _adequate_ way to present database results,
> especially if the results consist of set of records, each divided into
> items (fields) in the same way. It would be most natural to present this
> as an HTML table structure, with columns corresponding to the items.
>
> So I don't quite understand the "has to" part.
>
> > My challenge though is that we have
> > used iframes and such to render the different lists on this page, and
> > now - for some reason - the table has become to wide.
>
> Using iframes is questionable, though not always very wrong. If you had
> posted a URL, we might be able to tell whether iframes are an essential
> part of your problem.
>
> > I am looking at the code and trying to change width using css, but
> > without much luck.
>
> The mistake is in column 42, but don't quite see which line.
>
> (Hint to irony-challenged: if you fail to post a URL, don't expect
> useful advice.)
>
> > I see that in some of the data there are Caps-only
> > text, and I am now wondering if this caps-only could be the reason for
> > why the text isn't wrapping when I'm schrinking the table width.
>
> It isn't. But caps-only is generally bad for other reasons. It's less
> legible, and it MAKES YOU LOOK CHILDISH OR WORSE, LIKE A LAWYER WHO
> CANNOT STOP SHOUTING AND REGARDS THAT AS PROFESSIONAL AND LEGALLY
> BINDING.
>
> > Please do not suggest using divs and css at this moment.
>
> Why would we? You seem to have the weird idea that tables are bad.
>
> > I know how to do that,
>
> I very much doubt that.
>
> > All I want to know at this moment is if caps is causing problems when
> > rendering the tables nested of course...
>
> Then you cannot be helped. If you don't want to know the solution to
> your real problem, it would be pointless to offer some solutions to some
> non-problems that you don't actually describe.
>
> Tables nested? Well there you surely have a problem.
>
> --
> Jukka K. Korpela ("Yucca")http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/


Hi Jukka,

No I don't see Tables as a bad thing, it's just that I've learned over
the past that sometimes those who answers don't quite get why you
can't use what is appropriate and the correct way of doing things.

I'll contact you off list to show you the problem.

-trond-

Posted by John Hosking on May 2, 2008, 6:20 am
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trondhuso wrote:
> On 2 Mai, 10:02, "Jukka K. Korpela" wrote:
>> Scripsit trondhuso:
>>
>>> I have a solution that - at time of writing - has to use tables to
>>> render a list of database-results.
>> A table is usually the _adequate_ way to present database results,
>> especially if the results consist of set of records, each divided into
>> items (fields) in the same way. It would be most natural to present this
>> as an HTML table structure, with columns corresponding to the items.
>>
>> So I don't quite understand the "has to" part.
>>

> Hi Jukka,
>
> No I don't see Tables as a bad thing, it's just that I've learned over
> the past that sometimes those who answers don't quite get why you
> can't use what is appropriate and the correct way of doing things.

I would have been nice had you also learned to trim posts when you reply
to them.

>
> I'll contact you off list to show you the problem.

Why don't you contact him on-list to show us all the problem?


--
John
Pondering the value of the UIP: http://improve-usenet.org/

Posted by trondhuso on May 2, 2008, 6:49 am
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wrote:
> trondhuso wrote:
> > On 2 Mai, 10:02, "Jukka K. Korpela" wrote:
>
>
> > I'll contact you off list to show you the problem.
>
> Why don't you contact him on-list to show us all the problem?
>
> --
> John
> Pondering the value of the UIP:http://improve-usenet.org/

Dear John,

Below you can find the link to the problematic site:
http://www.ntb.no/pressemeldinger/

The "problem" (challenge) is to remove the scrollbars that comes up
because we are using iframe...

best

Trond

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