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Data from damaged machine Guy Kornetzki 11-03-2005
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Posted by Barry Watzman on November 5, 2005, 12:37 am
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You might be using the wrong USB plug. If the cord has two plugs on the
far end, only one of them has the USB data lines connected, the other
one is POWER ONLY. If you plug in only one of them to a live USB port,
it matters which one you plug in. And only very rarely is it necessary
to plug in both of them.


Guy Kornetzki wrote:

> Wow, first of all let me say it's great to know there are people out there
> who are willing to lend a hand in such an unselfish way - thanks everyone.
>
> To satisfy Lars' (justified) thirst for knowledge :) here are more details
> about the case:
>
>
>>HD brand is Fujitsu I believe
>>I don't know the spin speed but it was taken out of a rather old Gericom
>
> laptop
>
>>Guess USB enclosure receives power from USB ports using two plugs (as Barry
>
> said; I had no idea why there are two plugs!)
>
>>Enclosure was plugged into two different laptops: a Dell and a Fujitsu
>
> Siemens.
>
>>Both laptops are running Win XP (Fuji runs Home version and Dell runs Prof)
>>Both laptops have had no problems with USB devices
>>Both laptops enjoy USB2.0
>
>
> Ok, seems like there are two things to check now: 1) the enclosure 2) the
> HD. As the enclosure is brand new, I doubt it's faulty (although it is
> possible of course), so the next step is indeed to test the HD itself. In
> the current situation I can only do this by physically connecting the HD to
> a laptop's IDE. If needs be I would be inclined to follow Barry's suggestion
> of running the HD inside one of the "good" laptops as a HD, whilst using a
> recovery CD as backup when things go crazy.
>
> As it's quite late in the UK now, I'll probably to this tomorrow; also, need
> to update my friend, the owner of this HD, and get his permission to dive
> deeper. So if there are any further thoughts/advices until than they are
> very welcome.
>
> Once again, I really appreciate it everyone.
>
> ~ ~ ~
> GuyKo.
>
>
>>My instructions don't involve a second laptop at all. From your note, you
>>are not even getting the USB device detected pop-up which could indicate
>>several problems most of which point to USB problems, not necessarily the
>>hard drive itself.
>>
>>Like Barry said before, your best bet is to place the drive directly onto
>>the IDE channel. The best way to do that (and copy the files off) is to
>>place it in another machine as a second hard drive.
>>
>>That's what my instructions indicated. If you don't have the tools to do
>>that (desktop, 2.5 to 3.5 convertor, etc) then you will have to get the
>
> USB
>
>>working properly.
>>--
>>Thanks,
>>TheBurgerMan
>>at
>>gmail.com
>>--
>>
>>>Hi Peter: what driver do I need?! Thought it was plug'n'play through the
>>>USB
>>>port? What do you mean by "swap controller", you mean USB port? Have
>
> tried
>
>>>connecting enclosure to two separate laptops and the HD wasn't
>
> recognised
>
>>>by
>>>any of them.
>>>
>>>Hi BurgerMan: unless I misunderstood you, seems like you may have
>>>misunderstood me: am using a laptop NOT a desktop to access the HD. Have
>>>taken the 2.5" HD from the damaged laptop and inserted it into a USB2.0
>>>External Enclosure (making it into an external HD with a USB2.0
>>>connection).
>>>Can't see what you mean than by your instructions.
>>>
>>>What do you think everyone?
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>
>>>~ ~ ~
>>>GuyKo.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Well I got the enclosure, popped-in the HD, connected it to the other
>>>
>>>laptop
>>>
>>>>>and.......nothing.
>>>>
>>>>You need a driver first! Check that you have one.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Any ideas? Does this mean the HD may be faulty? How can I check this
>
> at
>
>>>home
>>>
>>>>>without a PC lab?
>>>>
>>>>Swap with a different HD, or controller.
>>>>
>>>>Peter
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>


Posted by Guy Kornetzki on November 5, 2005, 1:06 am
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Gentlemen, may I declare this a VICTORY of men!! :)

Following Barry's advice I swapped USB plugs around and immediately the
laptop recognised the USB enclosure, installed it and I now seem to have
full access!

I don't know what to say except repeating myself like an broken record:
thanks everyone for all your help; it's safe to say I would not have done it
without you. I know it's just a silly HD problem, but I guess I'm just a
softy for the human spirit and a bit of the old team work. Call me a
sentimental fool :) but I think it's really great.

A special thanks to Barry of course, for stating the obvious perhaps, yet
I'd prefer to call it covering all bases.

Now let's see if the rest of my plan, transferring the guy's data to his new
laptop will work ;)

Good night and thanks again.

~ ~ ~
GuyKo.

> You might be using the wrong USB plug. If the cord has two plugs on the
> far end, only one of them has the USB data lines connected, the other
> one is POWER ONLY. If you plug in only one of them to a live USB port,
> it matters which one you plug in. And only very rarely is it necessary
> to plug in both of them.
>
>
> Guy Kornetzki wrote:
>
> > Wow, first of all let me say it's great to know there are people out
there
> > who are willing to lend a hand in such an unselfish way - thanks
everyone.
> >
> > To satisfy Lars' (justified) thirst for knowledge :) here are more
details
> > about the case:
> >
> >
> >>HD brand is Fujitsu I believe
> >>I don't know the spin speed but it was taken out of a rather old Gericom
> >
> > laptop
> >
> >>Guess USB enclosure receives power from USB ports using two plugs (as
Barry
> >
> > said; I had no idea why there are two plugs!)
> >
> >>Enclosure was plugged into two different laptops: a Dell and a Fujitsu
> >
> > Siemens.
> >
> >>Both laptops are running Win XP (Fuji runs Home version and Dell runs
Prof)
> >>Both laptops have had no problems with USB devices
> >>Both laptops enjoy USB2.0
> >
> >
> > Ok, seems like there are two things to check now: 1) the enclosure 2)
the
> > HD. As the enclosure is brand new, I doubt it's faulty (although it is
> > possible of course), so the next step is indeed to test the HD itself.
In
> > the current situation I can only do this by physically connecting the HD
to
> > a laptop's IDE. If needs be I would be inclined to follow Barry's
suggestion
> > of running the HD inside one of the "good" laptops as a HD, whilst using
a
> > recovery CD as backup when things go crazy.
> >
> > As it's quite late in the UK now, I'll probably to this tomorrow; also,
need
> > to update my friend, the owner of this HD, and get his permission to
dive
> > deeper. So if there are any further thoughts/advices until than they are
> > very welcome.
> >
> > Once again, I really appreciate it everyone.
> >
> > ~ ~ ~
> > GuyKo.
> >
> >
> >>My instructions don't involve a second laptop at all. From your note,
you
> >>are not even getting the USB device detected pop-up which could indicate
> >>several problems most of which point to USB problems, not necessarily
the
> >>hard drive itself.
> >>
> >>Like Barry said before, your best bet is to place the drive directly
onto
> >>the IDE channel. The best way to do that (and copy the files off) is to
> >>place it in another machine as a second hard drive.
> >>
> >>That's what my instructions indicated. If you don't have the tools to
do
> >>that (desktop, 2.5 to 3.5 convertor, etc) then you will have to get the
> >
> > USB
> >
> >>working properly.
> >>--
> >>Thanks,
> >>TheBurgerMan
> >>at
> >>gmail.com
> >>--
> >>
> >>>Hi Peter: what driver do I need?! Thought it was plug'n'play through
the
> >>>USB
> >>>port? What do you mean by "swap controller", you mean USB port? Have
> >
> > tried
> >
> >>>connecting enclosure to two separate laptops and the HD wasn't
> >
> > recognised
> >
> >>>by
> >>>any of them.
> >>>
> >>>Hi BurgerMan: unless I misunderstood you, seems like you may have
> >>>misunderstood me: am using a laptop NOT a desktop to access the HD.
Have
> >>>taken the 2.5" HD from the damaged laptop and inserted it into a USB2.0
> >>>External Enclosure (making it into an external HD with a USB2.0
> >>>connection).
> >>>Can't see what you mean than by your instructions.
> >>>
> >>>What do you think everyone?
> >>>
> >>>Thanks,
> >>>
> >>>~ ~ ~
> >>>GuyKo.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Well I got the enclosure, popped-in the HD, connected it to the other
> >>>
> >>>laptop
> >>>
> >>>>>and.......nothing.
> >>>>
> >>>>You need a driver first! Check that you have one.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Any ideas? Does this mean the HD may be faulty? How can I check this
> >
> > at
> >
> >>>home
> >>>
> >>>>>without a PC lab?
> >>>>
> >>>>Swap with a different HD, or controller.
> >>>>
> >>>>Peter
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
>




Posted by lars on November 5, 2005, 12:14 pm
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On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 01:06:46 -0000, Guy Kornetzki wrote:

>Gentlemen, may I declare this a VICTORY of men!! :)

Good news Guy!
A fine example of the power of Usenet.

Figure out a good group to post in.
Come up with a good subject line.
Explain you problem in about 10 - 15 lines.

Chances are ten to one that someone else has
run into something similar before, and can help
you along pinning it down.
Post a follow-up with the solution and thank you.

Nice to see, everybody!


Lars
Stockholm


Posted by Barry Watzman on November 4, 2005, 11:21 pm
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Guy, if you are using a laptop, you could try putting the possibly bad
laptop into the other laptop (the one to which you are connecting the
USB external case). It won't run "right" and this will mess up the
installed XP if you let it boot, but you could see if the drive spun-up
and was detected and recognized (put a floppy with DOS into the floppy
drive, or a bootable CD into the CD drive, to keep Windows from booting).


Guy Kornetzki wrote:

> Hi Peter: what driver do I need?! Thought it was plug'n'play through the USB
> port? What do you mean by "swap controller", you mean USB port? Have tried
> connecting enclosure to two separate laptops and the HD wasn't recognised by
> any of them.
>
> Hi BurgerMan: unless I misunderstood you, seems like you may have
> misunderstood me: am using a laptop NOT a desktop to access the HD. Have
> taken the 2.5" HD from the damaged laptop and inserted it into a USB2.0
> External Enclosure (making it into an external HD with a USB2.0 connection).
> Can't see what you mean than by your instructions.
>
> What do you think everyone?
>
> Thanks,
>
> ~ ~ ~
> GuyKo.
>
>
>>
>>>Well I got the enclosure, popped-in the HD, connected it to the other
>
> laptop
>
>>>and.......nothing.
>>
>>You need a driver first! Check that you have one.
>>
>>
>>
>>>Any ideas? Does this mean the HD may be faulty? How can I check this at
>
> home
>
>>>without a PC lab?
>>
>>Swap with a different HD, or controller.
>>
>>Peter
>
>
>


Posted by lars on November 5, 2005, 12:20 am
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On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 19:41:38 -0000, Guy Kornetzki wrote:

>Hi Peter: what driver do I need?! Thought it was plug'n'play
>through the USB port?

You need no particular drivers for it, so long as USB
works on that machine and its OS.
Should that "other" laptop happen to be operating
on W98 you may have a problem. If it is W95 you
can forget about it altogether.

>What do you think everyone?

I have a 3.5" to 2.5" converter that I have used
quite a few times. More than half of my attempts
have been a bit risky because I have repeatedly
plugged the thing in upside down. The color coding
on my converter goes against C W.

Once you have it plugged in correctly though you
get access to the Bios's "Detect HD´s" which is
*very* helpful. If the Bios can't see it and identify it
properly there is something seriously wrong with it.

Just replacing the HD in another laptop with your
drive is not a good idea. Chances are that even
if the drive as such is OK, it still wont run on a
controller it was not set up on.

Hold the USB enclosure in your hand while running.
If it spins you will feel it. If you can't it is rather dead.

You have not told us much!
What brand HD is it?
How fast should it spin?
How does the USB enclosure get its power?
What brand Laptop do you plug it into?
What OS does that have?
Do other USB devices work there?
Is it USB 1 or 2?


Lars
Stockholm


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