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Custom NTFS permissions on roaming profiles? Marcus Fredriksson 04-11-2006
Posted by Marcus Fredriksson on April 11, 2006, 7:48 am
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Hello all,

We are managing a large Windows 2003 server environment with Terminal
Servers that store the users' roaming (mandatory) profiles on a file share
on the network. According to
http://technet2.microsoft.com/WindowsServer/en/Library/20b15453-f7c9-4cf0-9131-78924af776551033.mspx,
the default file permissions for a users' roaming profile folder is Full
Control for the user and Local system and nothing else. We have also through
a GPO enabled the "Add the Administrators security group to roaming user
profiles" setting to grant Administrators permissions on the user folders.

So far, so good, but now as the environment grows large, we need our
Terminal Server guys to have permissions on the roaming profiles to be able
to troubleshoot end user problems. We do not want to add the Terminal Server
administrators to the Administrators group on the file servers, but instead
add another group to the ACL of the roaming profile folders.

My question: Is there a way to pre-define which permissions gets set on
newly created roaming profile user folders? If not, what problems could we
run into if we add this extra group to the roaming profile folders
afterwards?

Thanks,

Marcus

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Posted by Steven L Umbach on April 11, 2006, 6:37 pm
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I myself have never heard of a way to specify an extra group be
automatically be added to a newly created profile. You could however use
command line tools such as filial or xcacls.vbs to add such permissions and
you would need to do so each time a new profile was created. I see know
reason why that would cause a problem [other then privacy] as long as the
user still had their permissions and was the owner. Of course like anything
else test it on a few user accounts first and backup your server before you
try changing permissions so that you can always get back to where you were.
Xcacls.vbs and fileacl are powerful tools so be sure to try them out on a
test computer first if you are interested in trying them. --- Steve

http://support.microsoft.com/?id=825751 --- xcacls.vbs
http://www.gbordier.com/gbtools/fileacl.htm --- fileacl

> Hello all,
>
> We are managing a large Windows 2003 server environment with Terminal
> Servers that store the users' roaming (mandatory) profiles on a file share
> on the network. According to
>
http://technet2.microsoft.com/WindowsServer/en/Library/20b15453-f7c9-4cf0-9131-78924af776551033.mspx,
> the default file permissions for a users' roaming profile folder is Full
> Control for the user and Local system and nothing else. We have also
> through a GPO enabled the "Add the Administrators security group to
> roaming user profiles" setting to grant Administrators permissions on the
> user folders.
>
> So far, so good, but now as the environment grows large, we need our
> Terminal Server guys to have permissions on the roaming profiles to be
> able to troubleshoot end user problems. We do not want to add the Terminal
> Server administrators to the Administrators group on the file servers, but
> instead add another group to the ACL of the roaming profile folders.
>
> My question: Is there a way to pre-define which permissions gets set on
> newly created roaming profile user folders? If not, what problems could we
> run into if we add this extra group to the roaming profile folders
> afterwards?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Marcus
>
> --
> The views and opinions expressed above are strictly
> those of the author(s). The content of this message has
> not been reviewed nor approved by any entity whatsoever.
>
>
>



Posted by Marcus Fredriksson on April 12, 2006, 4:24 am
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Steven,

Thanks for your input. I have used xcacls.vbs quite a bit and am familiar
with it. Fileacl I didn't know about. Will check that out, thanks!

My main concern when manipulating profile ACLs is as I stated before
unexpected consequences, and I am not very comfortable with implementing a
bunch of scheduled scripts to manipulate ACLs. But since this might greatly
reduce the time needed for our TS guys to troubleshoot a user profile, and
at the same time eliminate the need to make the them member of the
Administrators group on all file servers, I guess we'll test it and give it
a try.

Thanks and regards,

Marcus

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The views and opinions expressed above are strictly
those of the author(s). The content of this message has
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>I myself have never heard of a way to specify an extra group be
>automatically be added to a newly created profile. You could however use
>command line tools such as filial or xcacls.vbs to add such permissions and
>you would need to do so each time a new profile was created. I see know
>reason why that would cause a problem [other then privacy] as long as the
>user still had their permissions and was the owner. Of course like anything
>else test it on a few user accounts first and backup your server before you
>try changing permissions so that you can always get back to where you were.
>Xcacls.vbs and fileacl are powerful tools so be sure to try them out on a
>test computer first if you are interested in trying them. --- Steve
>
> http://www.gbordier.com/gbtools/fileacl.htm --- fileacl
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> We are managing a large Windows 2003 server environment with Terminal
>> Servers that store the users' roaming (mandatory) profiles on a file
>> share on the network. According to
>>
http://technet2.microsoft.com/WindowsServer/en/Library/20b15453-f7c9-4cf0-9131-78924af776551033.mspx,
>> the default file permissions for a users' roaming profile folder is Full
>> Control for the user and Local system and nothing else. We have also
>> through a GPO enabled the "Add the Administrators security group to
>> roaming user profiles" setting to grant Administrators permissions on the
>> user folders.
>>
>> So far, so good, but now as the environment grows large, we need our
>> Terminal Server guys to have permissions on the roaming profiles to be
>> able to troubleshoot end user problems. We do not want to add the
>> Terminal Server administrators to the Administrators group on the file
>> servers, but instead add another group to the ACL of the roaming profile
>> folders.
>>
>> My question: Is there a way to pre-define which permissions gets set on
>> newly created roaming profile user folders? If not, what problems could
>> we run into if we add this extra group to the roaming profile folders
>> afterwards?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>> --
>> The views and opinions expressed above are strictly
>> those of the author(s). The content of this message has
>> not been reviewed nor approved by any entity whatsoever.
>>
>>
>>
>
>



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