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Comet Collision 'Armageddon' Unlikely baalke 09-08-2005
Posted by baalke on September 8, 2005, 8:41 am
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http://www.mso.anu.edu.au/news/media_releases/media_release_050907.php

Comet collision 'Armageddon' unlikely

But odds greater than winning Lotto jackpot, ANU astronomer finds
Australian National University
September 7, 2005

The chances of the Earth being hit by a comet from beyond Pluto - a la
Armageddon - are much lower than previously thought, according to new
research by an ANU astronomer.

Using computer simulations and data from an American military
telescope,
Dr Paul Francis, from the ANU Research School of Astronomy and
Astrophysics at Mt Stromlo, has found there are seven times fewer
comets
in our solar system than previously thought.

'I calculate that small comets, capable of destroying a city, only hit
the Earth once every 40 million years or so," Dr Francis said. "Big
continent-busting comets, as shown in the movies Armageddon and Deep
Impact, are rarer still, only hitting once every 150 million years or
so. So I don't loose sleep over it, but you're still more likely to be
killed by a comet than to win the jackpot at Lotto."

Previous estimates of the number of comets were based on the work of
amateur astronomers, who for hundreds of years have been scanning the
skies, looking for new comets.

Previously, it was believed that these amateur astronomers were only
spotting three per cent of the comets passing close to the Earth: the
rest were thought to be missed because they were in the wrong part of
the sky or were too faint.

But Dr Francis found that the amateurs were doing better than anyone
had
realised - they were actually spotting 20 per cent of comets. There are
therefore far fewer undiscovered comets.

"The new data allowed us to count the number of faint and far-away
comets that the amateurs had missed. And we found that they were pretty
rare," Dr Francis said.

These results apply to comets coming from beyond the orbit of Pluto,
which is where most comets live. The Earth is still at risk of being
hit
by asteroids, and by so-called short-period comets - ones that come
past
repeatedly, like Halley's comet.

"But asteroids and short-period comets come past again and again, so if
we're clever enough we can find them all and predict which, if any,
will
hit the Earth," said Dr Francis. "If we find one on a collision course
with the Earth, we would normally have hundreds of years warning in
which to do something about it, like deflecting the asteroid.

"The comets coming from beyond Pluto, so called long-period comets, are
nastier, as they are totally unpredictable, and if we see one on a
collision course we'd have at best one or two years warning - not long
enough to do anything."

Dr Francis' research has been accepted for publication in the
Astrophysical Journal. It was based on computer simulations, published
data from the Lincoln Near Earth Asteroid Research Project at White
Sands Missile Range in New Mexico, and on data from amateur astronomers
around the world.

Further Information

Background material on Dr Francis' research

http://www.mso.anu.edu.au/~pfrancis/comets/



Posted by The Plankmeister on September 9, 2005, 10:47 am
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> http://www.mso.anu.edu.au/news/media_releases/media_release_050907.php
>
> Comet collision 'Armageddon' unlikely
>
> But odds greater than winning Lotto jackpot, ANU astronomer finds
> Australian National University
> September 7, 2005
>
> The chances of the Earth being hit by a comet from beyond Pluto - a la
> Armageddon - are much lower than previously thought, according to new
> research by an ANU astronomer.
>
> Using computer simulations and data from an American military
> telescope,
> Dr Paul Francis, from the ANU Research School of Astronomy and
> Astrophysics at Mt Stromlo, has found there are seven times fewer
> comets
> in our solar system than previously thought.
>
> 'I calculate that small comets, capable of destroying a city, only hit
> the Earth once every 40 million years or so," Dr Francis said. "Big
> continent-busting comets, as shown in the movies Armageddon and Deep
> Impact, are rarer still, only hitting once every 150 million years or
> so. So I don't loose sleep over it, but you're still more likely to be
> killed by a comet than to win the jackpot at Lotto."

Surely if that were so, then there'd be a whole bunch of people every week
killed by meteorites? I can't remember the last time I heard of anyone
killed by a meteorite. But I can say with certainty that there must have
been 100s of 1000s of lotto winners over the years....



> Previous estimates of the number of comets were based on the work of
> amateur astronomers, who for hundreds of years have been scanning the
> skies, looking for new comets.
>
> Previously, it was believed that these amateur astronomers were only
> spotting three per cent of the comets passing close to the Earth: the
> rest were thought to be missed because they were in the wrong part of
> the sky or were too faint.
>
> But Dr Francis found that the amateurs were doing better than anyone
> had
> realised - they were actually spotting 20 per cent of comets. There are
> therefore far fewer undiscovered comets.
>
> "The new data allowed us to count the number of faint and far-away
> comets that the amateurs had missed. And we found that they were pretty
> rare," Dr Francis said.
>
> These results apply to comets coming from beyond the orbit of Pluto,
> which is where most comets live. The Earth is still at risk of being
> hit
> by asteroids, and by so-called short-period comets - ones that come
> past
> repeatedly, like Halley's comet.
>
> "But asteroids and short-period comets come past again and again, so if
> we're clever enough we can find them all and predict which, if any,
> will
> hit the Earth," said Dr Francis. "If we find one on a collision course
> with the Earth, we would normally have hundreds of years warning in
> which to do something about it, like deflecting the asteroid.
>
> "The comets coming from beyond Pluto, so called long-period comets, are
> nastier, as they are totally unpredictable, and if we see one on a
> collision course we'd have at best one or two years warning - not long
> enough to do anything."
>
> Dr Francis' research has been accepted for publication in the
> Astrophysical Journal. It was based on computer simulations, published
> data from the Lincoln Near Earth Asteroid Research Project at White
> Sands Missile Range in New Mexico, and on data from amateur astronomers
> around the world.
>
> Further Information
>
> Background material on Dr Francis' research
>
> http://www.mso.anu.edu.au/~pfrancis/comets/
>




Posted by rj on September 9, 2005, 9:21 am
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>> http://www.mso.anu.edu.au/news/media_releases/media_release_050907.php
>> 'I calculate that small comets, capable of destroying a city, only hit
>> the Earth once every 40 million years or so," Dr Francis said. "Big
>> continent-busting comets, as shown in the movies Armageddon and Deep
>> Impact, are rarer still, only hitting once every 150 million years or
>> so. So I don't loose sleep over it, but you're still more likely to be
>> killed by a comet than to win the jackpot at Lotto."
>
> Surely if that were so, then there'd be a whole bunch of people every week
> killed by meteorites? I can't remember the last time I heard of anyone
> killed by a meteorite. But I can say with certainty that there must have
> been 100s of 1000s of lotto winners over the years....
>
He means the chances of one particular person winning the lotto,
not the chances of anybody winning--big difference.

rj




Posted by Peter Munn on September 16, 2005, 3:50 pm
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Leafing through alt.sci.planetary, I read rj's message of Fri, 9 Sep
2005:

>>> you're still more likely to be
>>> killed by a comet than to win the jackpot at Lotto."
>>>
["The Plankmeister":]
>> Surely if that were so, then there'd be a whole bunch of people every week
>> killed by meteorites? I can't remember the last time I heard of anyone
>> killed by a meteorite. But I can say with certainty that there must have
>> been 100s of 1000s of lotto winners over the years....
>>
>He means the chances of one particular person winning the lotto,

That is (more or less) what the author wrote, but what he _meant_ was
"the chances of one particular person winning the lotto if they only
bought one ticket in their whole life". The article was consequently
very prone to misleading because most people who buy lottery tickets do
so regularly, and many buy more than one for each draw. The chances of
a typical national lottery player winning their national lottery are
several hundred or several thousand times greater than their chances of
being killed by a comet, because they buy thousands of tickets over
their lifetime.

Academics sometimes express frustration at the public's inability to
understand the long-odds probabilities they wish to communicate. Some
of those academics should examine their communication more carefully to
find the fault.
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