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Bad keyboards on HP Pavilion 6700? bzakharin 06-26-2008
Posted by bzakharin on June 26, 2008, 9:20 pm
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I just recently got a custom-made HP Pavilion 6700 notebook, touted as
the best in its category and within hours the escape key was coming
loose. It is hard to describe, but it seems to be attached only on
top, but not on the bottom. After awhile of trying to put it back on
it came completely undone. They sent me a new keyboard assembly and we
installed it. Again within hours, the same thing was happening to the
"L" key on the new keyboard. My question is twofold:

1. Should I ask for yet another keyboard replacement or should I
accept the fact that the keyboard on this model is so flimsy?
2. Since I still have both keyboard assemblies, should I try to
replace the keys from one of the keyboards with the other or are they
not detachable and would not attach back once removed?

Thanks in advance,
Boris Zakharin

Posted by Mike G on June 28, 2008, 9:58 am
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>I just recently got a custom-made HP Pavilion 6700 notebook,
>touted as
> the best in its category and within hours the escape key was
> coming
> loose. It is hard to describe, but it seems to be attached only
> on
> top, but not on the bottom. After awhile of trying to put it
> back on
> it came completely undone. They sent me a new keyboard assembly
> and we
> installed it. Again within hours, the same thing was happening
> to the
> "L" key on the new keyboard. My question is twofold:
>
> 1. Should I ask for yet another keyboard replacement or should
> I
> accept the fact that the keyboard on this model is so flimsy?
> 2. Since I still have both keyboard assemblies, should I try to
> replace the keys from one of the keyboards with the other or
> are they
> not detachable and would not attach back once removed?

I suggest you carefully prise a good key from the spare and see
for yourself. On my Sony notebook, small 'clips' are moulded onto
the back of the keys, with a small plastic 'pantograph' mechanism
between the keys and the board to keep the keys square as they
are depressed. I suspect your HP uses a similar system.

If the clips on the 'L' key, or the pantograh mechanism are
broken, you should be able to replace either with those off the
spare keyboard.

The keys are easy to replace, they just need presing firmly until
you feel them clip, but replacing the pantographs can be quite
tricky due to the small size of them, and the pivot points
mounted on the keyboard base.

I do agree though that it sounds like the HP keyboard on your
model is particularly prone to breakage.
Mike.



Posted by GG Willikers on June 29, 2008, 8:33 am
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Mike G wrote:
>
>> I just recently got a custom-made HP Pavilion 6700 notebook,
>> touted as
>> the best in its category and within hours the escape key was
>> coming
>> loose. It is hard to describe, but it seems to be attached only
>> on
>> top, but not on the bottom. After awhile of trying to put it
>> back on
>> it came completely undone. They sent me a new keyboard assembly
>> and we
>> installed it. Again within hours, the same thing was happening
>> to the
>> "L" key on the new keyboard. My question is twofold:
>>
>> 1. Should I ask for yet another keyboard replacement or should
>> I
>> accept the fact that the keyboard on this model is so flimsy?
>> 2. Since I still have both keyboard assemblies, should I try to
>> replace the keys from one of the keyboards with the other or
>> are they
>> not detachable and would not attach back once removed?
>
> I suggest you carefully prise a good key from the spare and see
> for yourself. On my Sony notebook, small 'clips' are moulded onto the
> back of the keys, with a small plastic 'pantograph' mechanism between
> the keys and the board to keep the keys square as they are depressed. I
> suspect your HP uses a similar system.
>
> If the clips on the 'L' key, or the pantograh mechanism are broken, you
> should be able to replace either with those off the spare keyboard.
>
> The keys are easy to replace, they just need presing firmly until you
> feel them clip, but replacing the pantographs can be quite tricky due to
> the small size of them, and the pivot points mounted on the keyboard base.
>
> I do agree though that it sounds like the HP keyboard on your model is
> particularly prone to breakage.
> Mike.
>
>
HP keyboards are kinda shoddy. Be very careful with the tiny mounts clip
mounts, metal on the board surface (weak and prone to breaking if too
much pressure is applied). The bottom of the keys have very flimsy
plastic clips that the pantographs clip into. Patience and a light touch.

Posted by Mike G on June 29, 2008, 10:27 am
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> Mike G wrote:
>>
>>> I just recently got a custom-made HP Pavilion 6700 notebook,
>>> touted as
>>> the best in its category and within hours the escape key was
>>> coming
>>> loose. It is hard to describe, but it seems to be attached
>>> only
>>> on
>>> top, but not on the bottom. After awhile of trying to put it
>>> back on
>>> it came completely undone. They sent me a new keyboard
>>> assembly
>>> and we
>>> installed it. Again within hours, the same thing was
>>> happening
>>> to the
>>> "L" key on the new keyboard. My question is twofold:
>>>
>>> 1. Should I ask for yet another keyboard replacement or
>>> should
>>> I
>>> accept the fact that the keyboard on this model is so flimsy?
>>> 2. Since I still have both keyboard assemblies, should I try
>>> to
>>> replace the keys from one of the keyboards with the other or
>>> are they
>>> not detachable and would not attach back once removed?
>>
>> I suggest you carefully prise a good key from the spare and
>> see
>> for yourself. On my Sony notebook, small 'clips' are moulded
>> onto the back of the keys, with a small plastic 'pantograph'
>> mechanism between the keys and the board to keep the keys
>> square as they are depressed. I suspect your HP uses a similar
>> system.
>>
>> If the clips on the 'L' key, or the pantograh mechanism are
>> broken, you should be able to replace either with those off
>> the spare keyboard.
>>
>> The keys are easy to replace, they just need presing firmly
>> until you feel them clip, but replacing the pantographs can be
>> quite tricky due to the small size of them, and the pivot
>> points mounted on the keyboard base.
>>
>> I do agree though that it sounds like the HP keyboard on your
>> model is particularly prone to breakage.
>> Mike.
>>
>>
> HP keyboards are kinda shoddy. Be very careful with the tiny
> mounts clip mounts, metal on the board surface (weak and prone
> to breaking if too much pressure is applied). The bottom of the
> keys have very flimsy plastic clips that the pantographs clip
> into. Patience and a light touch.

Not to mention good eyes and a steady hand. :-)

And to the OP, if you do need to replace a pantograph on the
notebook keyboard, take careful note of how the two part assembly
fits together, 'before' removing one from the spare k/b. Try to
keep both parts together. Once separated, it's not obvious how
they fit together. Each piece has to be the right way up for the
it to work properly.
Mike


Posted by bzakharin on June 30, 2008, 2:41 pm
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> Mike G wrote:
>
> >> I just recently got a custom-made HP Pavilion 6700 notebook,
> >> touted as
> >> the best in its category and within hours the escape key was
> >> coming
> >> loose. It is hard to describe, but it seems to be attached only
> >> on
> >> top, but not on the bottom. After awhile of trying to put it
> >> back on
> >> it came completely undone. They sent me a new keyboard assembly
> >> and we
> >> installed it. Again within hours, the same thing was happening
> >> to the
> >> "L" key on the new keyboard. My question is twofold:
>
> >> 1. Should I ask for yet another keyboard replacement or should
> >> I
> >> accept the fact that the keyboard on this model is so flimsy?
> >> 2. Since I still have both keyboard assemblies, should I try to
> >> replace the keys from one of the keyboards with the other or
> >> are they
> >> not detachable and would not attach back once removed?
>
> > I suggest you carefully prise a good key from the spare and see
> > for yourself. On my Sony notebook, small 'clips' are moulded onto the
> > back of the keys, with a small plastic 'pantograph' mechanism between
> > the keys and the board to keep the keys square as they are depressed. I
> > suspect your HP uses a similar system.
>
> > If the clips on the 'L' key, or the pantograh mechanism are broken, you
> > should be able to replace either with those off the spare keyboard.
>
> > The keys are easy to replace, they just need presing firmly until you
> > feel them clip, but replacing the pantographs can be quite tricky due to=

> > the small size of them, and the pivot points mounted on the keyboard bas=
e.
>
> > I do agree though that it sounds like the HP keyboard on your model is
> > particularly prone to breakage.
> > Mike.
>
> HP keyboards are kinda shoddy. Be very careful with the tiny mounts clip
> mounts, metal on the board surface (weak and prone to breaking if too
> much pressure is applied). The bottom of the keys have very flimsy
> plastic clips that the pantographs clip into. Patience and a light touch.

Do you mean to tell me that I should be constantly aware that any key
could come off? Or do you only mean that replacing them is hard? Also,
as far as "HP Keyboards," my old laptop (from '04) was a Compaq
(already owned by HP at the time) and the keyboard was/is quite sturdy
after over 4 years.

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