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BGCOLOR only in Opera, not other browsers (valid page) Mason C 05-04-2008
Posted by Mason C on May 4, 2008, 1:38 am
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I have a small, validated page that uses "bgcolor" in
<body... and several <td... 's
The colors show ok in Opera but not in MSIE or Firefox.

http://frontal-lobe.info/link2pdf.html

I've been away from html for the last year and am re-learning it.

Any ideas? Thanks,

Mason C

Posted by Jukka K. Korpela on May 4, 2008, 2:11 am
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Scripsit Mason C:

> I have a small, validated page that uses "bgcolor" in
> <body... and several <td... 's
> The colors show ok in Opera but not in MSIE or Firefox.
>
> http://frontal-lobe.info/link2pdf.html

Which difference(s) you are referring to? Both Opera and IE 7 show the
background colors. There's a difference: on Opera, there is a white
stripe, resulting from an empty cell, whereas IE 7 ignores it. If this
is the problem, you just need to decide: remove the cell or put
non-blank content, such as &nbsp;, into it (if you want it to appear for
some odd reason).

> I've been away from html for the last year and am re-learning it.

Then start afresh. Read a good tutorial on basics of HTML, and never
re-learn the ugly presentational side of the language; instead, learn
basic CSS from a good tutorial.

How come a page doesn't fit into my browser window (it's almost half of
my screen!), despite not containing any relevant information but a link
to a PDF file? You're trying too much. But if you want to create boxes
with background colors, use just heading or <div> elements (as
appropriate) and background properties in CSS. Using bgcolor in HTML
isn't among the top ten sins, but neither is among the top 100 things
you should learn about HTML, and the CSS counterparts are much more
flexible and powerful.

--
Jukka K. Korpela ("Yucca")
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/


Posted by Mason C on May 4, 2008, 1:26 pm
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wrote:

>Scripsit Mason C:
>
>> I have a small, validated page that uses "bgcolor" in
>> <body... and several <td... 's
>> The colors show ok in Opera but not in MSIE or Firefox.
>>
>> http://frontal-lobe.info/link2pdf.html
>
>Which difference(s) you are referring to? Both Opera and IE 7 show the
>background colors. There's a difference: on Opera, there is a white
>stripe, resulting from an empty cell, whereas IE 7 ignores it. If this
>is the problem, you just need to decide: remove the cell or put
>non-blank content, such as &nbsp;, into it (if you want it to appear for
>some odd reason).
>
>> I've been away from html for the last year and am re-learning it.
>
>Then start afresh. Read a good tutorial on basics of HTML, and never
>re-learn the ugly presentational side of the language; instead, learn
>basic CSS from a good tutorial.
>
>How come a page doesn't fit into my browser window (it's almost half of
>my screen!), despite not containing any relevant information but a link
>to a PDF file? You're trying too much. But if you want to create boxes
>with background colors, use just heading or <div> elements (as
>appropriate) and background properties in CSS. Using bgcolor in HTML
>isn't among the top ten sins, but neither is among the top 100 things
>you should learn about HTML, and the CSS counterparts are much more
>flexible and powerful.

Jukka, I appreciate your comments. I use CSS but for that little page
I was in a hurry and used bgcolor. I validated the page. The color
doesn't show in MSIE or Firefox. Why?

The link page is there because I am concerned that the logging engines
and search robots may not log a pdf page -- that's another thing I need to
learn about. ( I'm going through web life change forced by being kicked
off Earthlink for excess traffic..)

But in the meantime I'm puzzled by the unexpected color failure.

Mason C

Posted by Jukka K. Korpela on May 4, 2008, 3:03 pm
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Scripsit Mason C:

> On Sun, 4 May 2008 09:11:55 +0300, "Jukka K. Korpela"
- -
>> Which difference(s) you are referring to? Both Opera and IE 7 show
>> the background colors. There's a difference: on Opera, there is a
>> white stripe, resulting from an empty cell, whereas IE 7 ignores it.

Did you actually read even that part of my message, or did you just
quote everything without reading anything?

> The color doesn't show in MSIE or Firefox.

Which color?

--
Jukka K. Korpela ("Yucca")
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/


Posted by Mason C on May 5, 2008, 11:44 am
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>>
>> On my computer:
>> My page has *bgcolors* in the body and in the <td> cells.
>> On MS IE 6 and 7 colors are not displayed.
>
>*On my computer*.
>
>Mason, so far this thread has been: You see something wrong. The rest of
>the world does *not* see something wrong.
>
>To be completely specific, we do not actually *SEE* what you think is
>wrong with the page.

I have now by mystic mind reading gathered that and realize that the
problem is not in the pages. After so many digressive and abusive
responses.

>
>Why don't you do something totally radical and provide us with a
>screenshot of *your* computer doing these things, aledgedly, wrong?
>
>As somebody else said: Check your settings. Show us a screenshot of the
>dialog box where you have *not* told IE to ignore background colours set
>by web authors.
>
>So far none of us has jack shit to go on.
>
>> Screw anything else wrong with the page. (*%$^&@Q&^(*
>
>To be very polite, it's getting very near the time when I, at least, will
>say: Screw you.

I did it first. Ya Ya Ya

Well, now we're getting somewhere. Too bad it took so long.

It is certainly something in my computer, not the web pages.

First, please just believe me when I say "no bg colors" -- that
means *no bg colors* that means a white screen with text.
A "picture" shouldn't be necessary if people had read what I posted..

Yes, first thing I checked was accessibility settings for author colors.
But that is the first good suggestion I've seen here.

My post is in the wrong group. I have now posted in the browser group.

Bye bye you nice people.

Mason C





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