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802.1x Wired Configuration with IAS Chipeater 05-01-2006
Posted by Chipeater on May 1, 2006, 5:48 am
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Hi,
I'm working on a project whereby it is proposed to use 802.1x for
auth'n of wired devices (I know that IPSec is generally considered a
better option in this space but 802.1x is a given).

A Windows CA will be deployed to issue appropriate certs. for IAS and
the XP clients, and obviously the switches will need to be of the
required "standard". It is only proposed to use machine auth'n
certificates - no user auth'n. In this circumstance I'm not sure what
role IAS performs apart from hosting the server auth'n cert.

I know that I should be using RAS policies which could incorporate
criteria such a computer group membership, etc. but I know that on an
ISA project that I recently worked on the client (computer) certificate
was only validated in terms of it's cert. "properties" such as trust,
purpose, date, revocation, etc. The user certificate was the one which
was used to apply sophisticated RAS policies.

Can anyone confirm that I will be using RAS policies for the computer
certificate that is presented.

Thanks.


Posted by S. Pidgorny on May 1, 2006, 6:02 am
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Don't make assumption that IAS is something similar to ISA Server - it is
not. In the 802.1x wired (and wireless) scenario, IAS actually does all
authentication - the switch simply forwards 802.1x traffic (incl. EAP
communication) to the IAS box, which in turn:

1. Checks the certificate trust and validity
2. Performs directory search by matching the certificate property (UPN)
3. Determones group memberships of the found object
4. Grants or denies access based on that
5. Logs the events in the system event log on the IAS server - which is
extremenly useful for troubleshoouting, as IAS log entries are very
informative

--
Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MS MVP - Security, MCSE
-= F1 is the key =-

> Hi,
> I'm working on a project whereby it is proposed to use 802.1x for
> auth'n of wired devices (I know that IPSec is generally considered a
> better option in this space but 802.1x is a given).
>
> A Windows CA will be deployed to issue appropriate certs. for IAS and
> the XP clients, and obviously the switches will need to be of the
> required "standard". It is only proposed to use machine auth'n
> certificates - no user auth'n. In this circumstance I'm not sure what
> role IAS performs apart from hosting the server auth'n cert.
>
> I know that I should be using RAS policies which could incorporate
> criteria such a computer group membership, etc. but I know that on an
> ISA project that I recently worked on the client (computer) certificate
> was only validated in terms of it's cert. "properties" such as trust,
> purpose, date, revocation, etc. The user certificate was the one which
> was used to apply sophisticated RAS policies.
>
> Can anyone confirm that I will be using RAS policies for the computer
> certificate that is presented.
>
> Thanks.
>



Posted by Chipeater on May 1, 2006, 6:20 am
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Thanks for the information.
Looking at the 802.1x client settings... there doesn't seem to be much
related to the difference between using computer (and or user)
certificates. I'm expecting to deliver comoputer certificates with the
client auth'n extension to all workstations by autoenrolment. Will the
simple certificate selection "pick this up" OK, what if there was a
smart card in the device at the same time?

I'm planning to use the Workstation Auth'n cert template as the basis
for the computer certificate (I can see that it puts the DNS name into
the sub alt name) which I guess is the certicate property that you
refer to.

I guess at a very primative level my RAS policy could quite simply
include the "Domain Computers" security group as a positive match?
Though obviously I may want to consider additional criteria.


Posted by S. Pidgorny on May 1, 2006, 7:20 am
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The computer will use certificate from the local system certificate store,
and the user will use certificate from the user store - so there will be no
problem, as the stores are separate. Should probably work with smart card,
too -I didn't experiment.

--
Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MS MVP - Security, MCSE
-= F1 is the key =-

> Thanks for the information.
> Looking at the 802.1x client settings... there doesn't seem to be much
> related to the difference between using computer (and or user)
> certificates. I'm expecting to deliver comoputer certificates with the
> client auth'n extension to all workstations by autoenrolment. Will the
> simple certificate selection "pick this up" OK, what if there was a
> smart card in the device at the same time?
>
> I'm planning to use the Workstation Auth'n cert template as the basis
> for the computer certificate (I can see that it puts the DNS name into
> the sub alt name) which I guess is the certicate property that you
> refer to.
>
> I guess at a very primative level my RAS policy could quite simply
> include the "Domain Computers" security group as a positive match?
> Though obviously I may want to consider additional criteria.
>



Posted by Chipeater on May 1, 2006, 7:49 am
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Thanks very much for all of your help.


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