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3 questions on validation Gérard Talbot 09-29-2005
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Posted by Gérard Talbot on September 29, 2005, 12:31 pm
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1- One day, I stumbled across a website that offers to validate
webpages. What was really special about that site is that the validation
service was available in Russian, German, Spanish and English. Now, I
can't find this site anymore. I did search google. Do you know such
site? What's its url?

2- Generally speaking, the most damaging markup code errors are improper
nesting. Damaging in the sense that it breaks the layout. Any comment on
this? Do you agree?

3- I've written a webpage explaining what is validation (HTML, CSS and
also WCAG). That page is targeting users who know pretty much nothing
about markup code, web authoring issues, etc. or who know little and who
might be using FrontPage and lower class products of this sort. I'd like
to hear some feedback on that page, preferably constructive criticisms,
suggestions, useful feedback, etc.

http://www.gtalbot.org/Varia/ValidationExplanations.html

Cross-posted to: comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html and alt.html
Followup-to: comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html

Gérard
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Posted by Travis Newbury on September 29, 2005, 10:01 am
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G=E9rard Talbot wrote:
> Cross-posted to: comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html and alt.html
> Followup-to: comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html

You seem to have missed the point that validation is a "tool" not a
"goal"

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Posted by Gérard Talbot on September 29, 2005, 2:37 pm
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Travis Newbury a écrit :
> Gérard Talbot wrote:
>
>>Cross-posted to: comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html and alt.html
>>Followup-to: comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html
>
>
> You seem to have missed the point that validation is a "tool" not a
> "goal"
>
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> -=tn=-
>

A tool for developers: correct. But here, in that document, I'm
addressing mere visitors who see a valid HTML 4.01 (or CSS) icon and a
link explaining what this is about.

Gérard
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Posted by Harlan Messinger on September 29, 2005, 3:05 pm
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Gérard Talbot wrote:
> Travis Newbury a écrit :
>
>> Gérard Talbot wrote:
>>
>>> Cross-posted to: comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html and alt.html
>>> Followup-to: comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html
>>
>> You seem to have missed the point that validation is a "tool" not a
>> "goal"
>
> A tool for developers: correct. But here, in that document, I'm
> addressing mere visitors who see a valid HTML 4.01 (or CSS) icon and a
> link explaining what this is about.

Why is a visitor interested at all? The visitor only cares if the page
looks OK and is usable. What would be useful would be a logo announcing
NON-conformance, to be place on pages with invalid code, so that users
having trouble with a page, when they see the logo, will say, "Oh, no
wonder, the code's invalid. No surprise that my browser isn't displaying
it correctly."

Posted by Gérard Talbot on September 29, 2005, 3:48 pm
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Harlan Messinger a écrit :
> Gérard Talbot wrote:
>
>> Travis Newbury a écrit :
>>
>>> Gérard Talbot wrote:
>>>
>>>> Cross-posted to: comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html and alt.html
>>>> Followup-to: comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html
>>>
>>>
>>> You seem to have missed the point that validation is a "tool" not a
>>> "goal"
>
> >
>
>> A tool for developers: correct. But here, in that document, I'm
>> addressing mere visitors who see a valid HTML 4.01 (or CSS) icon and a
>> link explaining what this is about.
>
>
> Why is a visitor interested at all? The visitor only cares if the page
> looks OK and is usable. What would be useful would be a logo announcing
> NON-conformance, to be place on pages with invalid code, so that users
> having trouble with a page, when they see the logo, will say, "Oh, no
> wonder, the code's invalid. No surprise that my browser isn't displaying
> it correctly."

Actually more and more browsers are doing that in various ways, are
announcing erroneous or problematic code which may affect the rendering
in pages in various ways.

Icab with its frown icon, Dillo browser apparently (I have not verified
their claim), Amaya 9.2.1 does that indicating clearly the parsing
errors, HTML Tidy (more of a linter but nevertheless), as a Firefox
extension, will report unknown elements, unknown attributes, improper
nesting, wrong code, etc.

Gérard
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