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100GB Hard Disk Drive, 7200rpm versus 160GB Hard Disk Drive, 5400rpm amandaf37 09-02-2007
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Posted by Barry Watzman on September 3, 2007, 12:58 pm
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Yes, note, 320GB, 5,400 rpm. The discussion was about 320GB, 7,200 rpm.


amandaf37@gmail.com wrote:
>> Weird... your Internet access must be different than mine. As if I
>> Google 320GB, 7200rpm, 2.5 inch, I get ½ million hits. Here is one of
>> them.
>>
>> Toshiba's New 320GB 2.5-inch HDDhttp://www.physorg.com/news106932225.html
>
> I didn't google. I looked at laptops at Circuit City sites, not hrad
> droves and saw that their product G45-AV680 and X205S9359 at $3500 was
> with 320GB of 5400 rpm.
>
>
>> Barry Watzman typed:
>>
>>
>>
>>> I have not seen a laptop drive that large, period. I do know that two
>>> manufacturers announced 320GB drives just in the past 2 weeks, not
>>> shipping just yet but imminent. However, I don't think that they were
>>> 7,200 rpm. In these smaller drives, there is a "lag" compared to
>>> desktop drives .... they are neither as large nor as fast, and there
>>> is a tradeoff near the top ends of the performance and size ranges
>>> between rotational speed and capacity .... you have to give up one to
>>> get the other. Over time, they keep getting bigger and faster, but
>>> they are always behind desktop drives, and at the top ends of the
>>> speeds and capacities, there is always a tradeoff, you can't get the
>>> fastest speeds (7,200 rpm) in the largest sizes.
>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>> amanda...@gmail.com typed:
>>>>>> Re: "You can buy 320GB @ 7200rpm too"
>>>>>> Not for a laptop, with a 2.5" drive. Not yet.
>>>>> That explains why circuit city has a Toshiba with 320GB but 5400
>>>>> rpm.
>>>> I don't know if any laptops come with 320GB @ 7200rpm. But they do
>>>> sell them and will fit a laptop.- Hide quoted text -
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>

Posted by Michael on September 3, 2007, 11:45 am
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On Mon, 3 Sep 2007 05:29:52 -0500, BillW50 wrote:
> Weird... your Internet access must be different than mine. As if I
> Google 320GB, 7200rpm, 2.5 inch, I get ½ million hits. Here is one of
> them.
>
> Toshiba's New 320GB 2.5-inch HDD
> http://www.physorg.com/news106932225.html

I am afraid you misunderstood (the article is badly written). Toshiba
announced 2 drives:

- MK3252GSX, which is a 320GB HDD at 5400rpm
- MK2049GSY, which is a 200GB HDD at 7200rpm

So no 320GB 7200 rpm drive yet :-(

>
>
>
> Barry Watzman typed:
>> I have not seen a laptop drive that large, period. I do know that two
>> manufacturers announced 320GB drives just in the past 2 weeks, not
>> shipping just yet but imminent. However, I don't think that they were
>> 7,200 rpm. In these smaller drives, there is a "lag" compared to
>> desktop drives .... they are neither as large nor as fast, and there
>> is a tradeoff near the top ends of the performance and size ranges
>> between rotational speed and capacity .... you have to give up one to
>> get the other. Over time, they keep getting bigger and faster, but
>> they are always behind desktop drives, and at the top ends of the
>> speeds and capacities, there is always a tradeoff, you can't get the
>> fastest speeds (7,200 rpm) in the largest sizes.
>>
>>
>> BillW50 wrote:
>>> amandaf37@gmail.com typed:
>>>>> Re: "You can buy 320GB @ 7200rpm too"
>>>>>
>>>>> Not for a laptop, with a 2.5" drive. Not yet.
>>>>
>>>> That explains why circuit city has a Toshiba with 320GB but 5400
>>>> rpm.
>>>
>>> I don't know if any laptops come with 320GB @ 7200rpm. But they do
>>> sell them and will fit a laptop.
>

Posted by dg on September 5, 2007, 6:55 am
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Just thought I'd chime in... check the laptop you're looking at to see
if it uses an externally-accessible drive carrier. These used to be
common, particularly on corporate-market models, where most home/
retail models have the hard-drive internalized. If yours uses a drive
carrier, swapping drives is simple and relatively easy--usually a
jeweler's screw-driver is the only tool needed.

Most 2.5" drives still have 12.5 ms access time, whether 5400 rpm or
7200 rpm. The 7200 rpm drive may have a faster transfer speed. If
you want 2.5" performance, you have to go with Seagate's corporate
(blade-server market) 10,000 rpm drives, available as of December 2004
in 36 GB and 73 GB versions as U320 SCSI -- but I've heard they've
since been adapted to SATA-II/300. They have 4.9 and 4.5 ms access
time and transfer speed unequaled among mechanical 2.5 inch drives,
last I heard. Of course, there are the solid-state hard-
drives...bring money!

If you can find an express-card eSATA-II/300 card, that would give
optimal access to an external hard drive, to take full advantage of a
big (cheap) fast hard-drive. Otherwise, eSATA-150 PC-card/PCMCIA
cards are pretty cheap and realistically almost as good. eSATA-II
offers hot-swap, which is definitely a good. Speed ranking, eSATA-II,
eSATA, Firewire 800, Firewire 400/iLink400, USB 2.0; but that depends
on the interface to the controller (i.e., on-motherboard, express-
card, PC-card).


Posted by amandaf37 on September 5, 2007, 10:23 am
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> Just thought I'd chime in... check the laptop you're looking at to see
> if it uses an externally-accessible drive carrier.

How to check that?

> These used to be
> common, particularly on corporate-market models, where most home/
> retail models have the hard-drive internalized.

What does it mena external versus internal? Do these terms refer to
the same thing as in desktop system?

> If yours uses a drive
> carrier, swapping drives is simple and relatively easy--usually a
> jeweler's screw-driver is the only tool needed.


>
> Most 2.5" drives still have 12.5 ms access time, whether 5400 rpm or
> 7200 rpm. The 7200 rpm drive may have a faster transfer speed. If
> you want 2.5" performance, you have to go with Seagate's corporate
> (blade-server market) 10,000 rpm drives, available as of December 2004
> in 36 GB and 73 GB versions as U320 SCSI -- but I've heard they've
> since been adapted to SATA-II/300.
In a thinkpad, wouldn't they use ibm hard drive?

> They have 4.9 and 4.5 ms access time and transfer speed unequaled among
mechanical 2.5 inch drives,
> last I heard. Of course, there are the solid-state hard-
> drives...bring money!
>
> If you can find an express-card eSATA-II/300 card, that would give
> optimal access to an external hard drive, to take full advantage of a
> big (cheap) fast hard-drive. Otherwise, eSATA-150 PC-card/PCMCIA
> cards are pretty cheap and realistically almost as good. eSATA-II
> offers hot-swap, which is definitely a good. Speed ranking, eSATA-II,
> eSATA, Firewire 800, Firewire 400/iLink400, USB 2.0; but that depends
> on the interface to the controller (i.e., on-motherboard, express-
> card, PC-card).


Can you give me some *technical* explanation on express card and on
SATA-II/300, eSATA-II/150 and eSATA-II/300 or refers me to a link to
understand all this in more detail?



Posted by amandaf37 on September 5, 2007, 10:28 am
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On Sep 5, 7:23 am, amanda...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Just thought I'd chime in... check the laptop you're looking at to see
> > if it uses an externally-accessible drive carrier.
>
> How to check that?
>
> > These used to be
> > common, particularly on corporate-market models, where most home/
> > retail models have the hard-drive internalized.
>
> What does it mena external versus internal? Do these terms refer to
> the same thing as in desktop system?
>
> > If yours uses a drive
> > carrier, swapping drives is simple and relatively easy--usually a
> > jeweler's screw-driver is the only tool needed.
>
> > Most 2.5" drives still have 12.5 ms access time, whether 5400 rpm or
> > 7200 rpm. The 7200 rpm drive may have a faster transfer speed. If
> > you want 2.5" performance, you have to go with Seagate's corporate
> > (blade-server market) 10,000 rpm drives, available as of December 2004
> > in 36 GB and 73 GB versions as U320 SCSI -- but I've heard they've
> > since been adapted to SATA-II/300.
>
> In a thinkpad, wouldn't they use ibm hard drive?
>
> > They have 4.9 and 4.5 ms access time and transfer speed unequaled among
mechanical 2.5 inch drives,
> > last I heard. Of course, there are the solid-state hard-
> > drives...bring money!
>
> > If you can find an express-card eSATA-II/300 card, that would give
> > optimal access to an external hard drive, to take full advantage of a
> > big (cheap) fast hard-drive. Otherwise, eSATA-150 PC-card/PCMCIA
> > cards are pretty cheap and realistically almost as good. eSATA-II
> > offers hot-swap, which is definitely a good. Speed ranking, eSATA-II,
> > eSATA, Firewire 800, Firewire 400/iLink400, USB 2.0; but that depends
> > on the interface to the controller (i.e., on-motherboard, express-
> > card, PC-card).
>
> Can you give me some *technical* explanation on express card and on
> SATA-II/300, eSATA-II/150 and eSATA-II/300 or refers me to a link to
> understand all this in more detail?

I think I will read this: http://www.pcmcia.org/faq.htm


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